Decapitation on Greyhound Bus

[lerxstcat]

I'm just the only one commenting on it, Bengal. Then again, I don't see anyone defending your viewpoint either. I wonder why that is.

Mark's pic and caption at least was kind of humorous, wheras you're trying to be humorous and failing. That's the difference; he's tongue in cheek while you come across as serious.

You are seriously contending that Ted Nugent is latently homosexual because he likes guns. That's funny, but you're serious.

I am not necessarily offended either, just because I comment that your attempt at humor constitutes a homophobic slur. But it is what it is. If there were several people posting to agree with you and telling me I was wrong, then I might reconsider that viewpoint. so far that hasn't happened though.

[Bengal]

I'm just the only one commenting on it, Bengal. Then again, I don't see anyone defending your viewpoint either. I wonder why that is.

Mark's pic and caption at least was kind of humorous, wheras you're trying to be humorous and failing. That's the difference; he's tongue in cheek while you come across as serious.

You are seriously contending that Ted Nugent is latently homosexual because he likes guns. That's funny, but you're serious.

I am not necessarily offended either, just because I comment that your attempt at humor constitutes a homophobic slur. But it is what it is. If there were several people posting to agree with you and telling me I was wrong, then I might reconsider that viewpoint. so far that hasn't happened though.

No one has to defend my viewpoint. Don't need the help. But if I was as off base as you say I am, there would be many, many more in here saying what you are saying. Right? That's how it works here.

Saying someone has latent homosexual issues is not a slur. Period. End of debate. It's not a slur. Prove that it is.

It has nothing to do with God either so lets not turn this into a "God Is Great" thread.

My comment was completely serious. Not only does he have issues that way, he has issues with women as well. Did you see Supergroup? He's about as misogynistic as they get. So he has multiple issues. See? Guns are only a small part of it.

Do I know him? Not at all, I can only judge him by how he comes off in the media. He comes off as a latent homosexual with serious women issues.

So I'm not trying to be humerous. Maybe that's your problem.

I won't get painted in the same corner you painted yourself into a while ago.

Now, lets get into why you get offended by what I said.

Is it because you are a Nugent Fanboy?

Is it becuase you have a problem with me using homosexual and Ted Nugent in the same sentence?

Is it because I said a handgun is like a cock? I'm not the only one, Love Gun anyone? It is a phallic symbol. Plain and simple.

Or did I hit too close to home?

[Bengal]

And answer this one guy.

"hold him down and fuck him in the ass til he squeals like a pig" is not a homophobic slur because there is humor behind it, right?

"Has latent homosexual issues" is a homophobic slur because there is no humor behind it?

So I can gaybash as long as I'm telling jokes?

Doesn't really ad up, does it?

[Bengal]

And saying that Nugent has latent tendencies is not a slur to homosexuals but it sure is to Ted Nugent.

I could give a fuck if I slur Ted Nugent. Fuck that guy, he's a neanderthal redneck and life would be better if he just shut the fuck up.

[Newc]

There's a big difference between a "suspected murderer" and "someone visibly murdering someone else". The guy on the bus was not a "suspect". Suspects are innocent until proven guilty. This guy was witnessed by the entire bus committing a crime, ergo, no trial is needed to determine his guilt. THAT is justification for shooting him.

Now, had the guy killed him in his sleep and then moved to another seat without being seen, and leaving no evidence he committed the crime such as blood on himself or fingerprints, or left the murder weapon that everyone saw him with previously (say, a fire axe) sticking in the guy's head, THEN he becomes a suspect.

And we agree on at least one point: shooting to wound is b.s.


And where does anyone get the idea that guns are phallic symbols? "Casting a similar shadow" and "being representative of" are two different things. A gun and a penis cast similar shadows in the light, but I don't find a gun to be by its very nature representative of a penis.
Maybe you do, for whatever reason, but not me. Yes, various people have related a gun to a penis in a few songs - Love Gun, Gun Love, Dude Looks Like A Lady, 10 Seconds To Love - but is that an issue with the songwriter or the gun designer? I'd say it was an issue with the songwriter. Maybe those who view guns as phallic symbols have latent homosexual tendencies?

[Bengal]

And where does anyone get the idea that guns are phallic symbols? "Casting a similar shadow" and "being representative of" are two different things. A gun and a penis cast similar shadows in the light, but I don't find a gun to be by its very nature representative of a penis.
Maybe you do, for whatever reason, but not me. Yes, various people have related a gun to a penis in a few songs - Love Gun, Gun Love, Dude Looks Like A Lady, 10 Seconds To Love - but is that an issue with the songwriter or the gun designer? I'd say it was an issue with the songwriter. Maybe those who view guns as phallic symbols have latent homosexual tendencies?

I'm pretty confident in my sexuality but if you want to think I have latent homosexual tendencies, that's cool with me.

See, that's where myself and Lerx differ. And differ from many on here I'd bet. I could care less if someone thinks I'm gay. Want to lump me in the homosexual community, cool. That's fine with me. I have no problem with that.

Now about the guns. I'm not saying they were designed after a penis. But they are very similar. Pull the trigger and the stuff comes out. Long barrel with a hole in the end that spews forth stuff. Handle (ballsack) hanging down.

We've all heard the saying that someone with a big truck or fast sportscar are overcompensating for a small penis, right? I'm sure you are not unfamiliar with that. Is it that big of a stretch to say that about someone with a lot of guns? I've heard others say that as well. So saying that someone is overcompensating with guns is not unheard of. But weather it's right or not, who knows. But it's still fun to say. And it's interesting to see who gets riled by it. Not that it was the intention, I've read some harsh shit about Ted on this forum. But interesting none the less.

[VitaminG]

I'm just the only one commenting on it, Bengal. Then again, I don't see anyone defending your viewpoint either. I wonder why that is.

I didn't see a need to defend it. It seemed to me that a gag was made at Nuge's expense, and it didn't go over. I've also been told off in the past for running to the "rescue" of people capable of defending themselves.

I did think that:

So you're implying that gun owners are gay, and that in turn there's something wrong with that? You realize that anti-gay slurs are frowned upon here at the JCF, don't you?

So then why are you turning gun ownership into a homophobic slur?

was quite a stretch. So you're implying that Ted Nugent is representative of all gun owners? That seems implicit, since Bengal made a joke at Nuge's expense and you interpolated that to be an aside at all gun owners.

Ted may or may not have issues with his sexuality. He may or may not be compensating for those issues by swinging a big gun while stalking the forest in his loincloth. I don't understand how any of that could be broadly applied to the greater gun owning community. I would imagine that many responsible gun owners would view Ted as the same marginal fringe-dweller that many non-gun owners do.

[Newc]

I'm pretty confident in my sexuality but if you want to think I have latent homosexual tendencies, that's cool with me.

See, that's where myself and Lerx differ. And differ from many on here I'd bet. I could care less if someone thinks I'm gay. Want to lump me in the homosexual community, cool. That's fine with me. I have no problem with that.

Congrats.

Now about the guns. I'm not saying they were designed after a penis. But they are very similar. Pull the trigger and the stuff comes out. Long barrel with a hole in the end that spews forth stuff. Handle (ballsack) hanging down.

I don't equate testicles with the handle of a gun. And it seems I missed an important hardware update, as my penis does not have a trigger like a pistol. It operates on nerve impulses, not by interconnected moving parts.

As for the "long barrel with a hole in the end that spews forth stuff", you do realize that a penis is used for creating life, and a firearm is used for ending life?
Polar opposites, is a term that comes to mind.

We've all heard the saying that someone with a big truck or fast sportscar are overcompensating for a small penis, right? I'm sure you are not unfamiliar with that. Is it that big of a stretch to say that about someone with a lot of guns? I've heard others say that as well. So saying that someone is overcompensating with guns is not unheard of.

Neither is jealousy, which is most likely where these "overcompensating for a small penis" comments stem from.

Do you know someone who owns a Corvette, Ferrari, Lamborghini, or other car typically associated with "compensating" who has a small penis?
Has this ever been proven as fact, or is it simply jealousy on the part of the people who cannot afford these vehicles?

See, anyone can SAY something, and anyone can repeat what they've heard, but if there is no factual evidence to support the statement, it's just opinion.

[StukaJU87]

I gave up on this thread long ago.

[VitaminG]

Congrats.

there's just not enough congratulations for those who are secure enough in their sexuality to not be concerned if someone else suggests that their sexual proclivity is other than what it is. Very thoughtful of you, Newc

I don't equate testicles with the handle of a gun. And it seems I missed an important hardware update, as my penis does not have a trigger like a pistol. It operates on nerve impulses, not by interconnected moving parts.

someone was paying attention in high school anatomy!

As for the "long barrel with a hole in the end that spews forth stuff", you do realize that a penis is used for creating life, and a firearm is used for ending life?

Get out! So what your saying is, you can't use a gun to impregnate a woman and create new life? I'm not altogether sure that that is correct.....

Neither is jealousy, which is most likely where these "overcompensating for a small penis" comments stem from.

Do you know someone who owns a Corvette, Ferrari, Lamborghini, or other car typically associated with "compensating" who has a small penis?
Has this ever been proven as fact, or is it simply jealousy on the part of the people who cannot afford these vehicles?

The "small penis" is just a metaphor. You've never encountered someone who was making up for deficiencies elsewhere in their life (lack of social skills, social standing, education, sporting ability, coolness, looks, hair, youth, a svelte figure, etc) by flashy around gaudy jewellery, or an expensive watch/car/suit or whatever? You've never seen the awkward doofus from high school who made it big in business, so now has the cash to return to the school reunion with a fancy car and expensive suit to try to regain some of that "cool" that he didn't have back at school?

Not everyone who owns a nice car (or gun, or guitar) is compensating. Not everyone who owns a bunch of them is either. Sometimes they are good looking, well-educated former sports stars that everyone likes, who have great personal and home lives who can afford to buy whatever they want. Nothing to compensate for.

But many people do buy these items specifically for the prestige that they afford them. To make themselves appear greater than they are.

See, anyone can SAY something, and anyone can repeat what they've heard, but if there is no factual evidence to support the statement, it's just opinion.

true dat. As witnessed in most posts in this forum. Although it was factual that your penis does function differently to a gun.

[Bengal]

Congrats.



I don't equate testicles with the handle of a gun. And it seems I missed an important hardware update, as my penis does not have a trigger like a pistol. It operates on nerve impulses, not by interconnected moving parts.

As for the "long barrel with a hole in the end that spews forth stuff", you do realize that a penis is used for creating life, and a firearm is used for ending life?
Polar opposites, is a term that comes to mind.



Neither is jealousy, which is most likely where these "overcompensating for a small penis" comments stem from.

Do you know someone who owns a Corvette, Ferrari, Lamborghini, or other car typically associated with "compensating" who has a small penis?
Has this ever been proven as fact, or is it simply jealousy on the part of the people who cannot afford these vehicles?

See, anyone can SAY something, and anyone can repeat what they've heard, but if there is no factual evidence to support the statement, it's just opinion.

OK, I'll go section by section.

1. Thanks.

2. As for the handle being the balls, a bit of a stretch but I made it. I have no problem with it. As for the trigger thing, I don't know. Sometimes it feels like someones pulling my trigger so I think that fits just fine.

3. Polar oposites? Yep, part of the fun of the comparison. I know a few friends that might say their life somewhat "died" when they had kids. Get that one? Goes either way.

4. Jealousy? Maybe. Not from me but for others maybe.

5. Don't know anyone who owns one of the cars you listed. I have never felt jealousy over a car. It's just a car.

6. Factual evidence? Are you serious? This whole fuckin' thread has been about opinion. Nice to see you finally got there. Of course it's opinion. I thought you had that figured out.

[Cleveland Metal]

.....wondering if the Carny tasted like chicken...

[phill_up]

From what I've heard, the stabbing started in the guy's neck, so there's no chance of saving the guy.

And cut it out with the all the macho "I would have shot him" bullshit. We all know you'd be trying to get out of that bus as fast as possible.

And if you had shot him, I strongly believe you would be convicted of manslaughter/3rd degree murder. Nothing gives you the right to shoot another human being - everyone has the right to pursuit of happiness. Committing a crime does not forfeit that right.

you are kidding, right?

[phill_up]

Contrary to popular belief, it is possible to stab someone in the neckj and miss the main artery or vein. Not likely, but since it is POSSIBLE, that justifies shooting the murderer.

Bear in mind f the guy's 30-40 feet away from you, and focused on stabbing someone else, it's not that great of a risk to pull out a handgun loaded with say 13 rounds like mine is, and shoot the guy from a safe distance. If he tries to rush you he has to come straight down a narrow aisle and I can put 5 rounds in him in short order. That doesn't take Clint Eastwood or Charles Bronson. It just takes someone who is willing to try and save a life.

Those of you who think that such a person would be exulting in shooting the murderer are way out of line. Maybe that's your deep-seated fantasy, but it isn't mine.

And if you think everybody is too chickenshit to do that, then again, maybe you're projecting your own inner feelings as well.

I will admit that if I did not have a gun on me I would not risk my life trying to stop the killer, unless it was someone I knew. But if I were armed with a gun, you bet I would try.

I'd rather serve a prison term for homicide than know I let someone die who I might have saved. The killer forfeits his life, at least if that's what it takes to stop him. If you can live with yourself in that scenario, good for you. I couldn't, if I could try to help and didn't do it.

And yes, I would shoot him dead even if the first victim was dead, to make sure he couldn't kill anyone else before the cops got there. I would have zero remorse for that.

Dude +1 Thank You!

[phill_up]

Why do they decide who lives and who dies? You can use a gun to take someone out of the equation without killing them. A shot to the lower leg below the knee or in the foot will encapacitate anyone. There are lots of places to shoot where the injury can be small but effective. As for everyone panicking. I dont believe that, as people react in one of three macro ways depending on how their brain functions. Some will panic, some will freeze in the spot, and some will be calm. Within those three macro groups, everyone will react slightly differently in their predetermined paths. To say everyone will react the same is ridiculous. Well unless the bus was filled with French people........

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