New Metallica SINGLE is OUT

[toejam]

that's not quite true... he was very involved when he worked with Johnny Cash or the rappers durning his early career

Yes, earlier, but it doesn't seem like he does as much nowadays. I guess it may be different with a band like Slayer that knows what sound they're looking for and can pretty much do things on their own without much guidance from him.

[GodOfRhythm]

I assume they played slower on S+M cos at full tilt "MOP" would have sounded even more of a mess with the orchestra than it did anyway.

I actually listened again to "Load" today, as a bit of background music while I tidied the house then read the new Guitarist magazine and I quite enjoyed it. Funny how I know all the words, melodies etc so well despite thinking I hate the album! Maybe I like it more than I realise.

Thanks, I really appreciated this comment somehow.

I've noticed this thing a lot, a lot of the load bashing has gone away. Cuz they are actually really good albums, the songwriting is fantastic and there is some really out-there stuff on there, and it's pretty refreshing, I still haven't heard many stuff or maybe anything at all that sounds like those albums.

I mean take Outlaw Torn for example, just wickedly awesome.

[Endrik]

that's not quite true... he was very involved when he worked with Johnny Cash or the rappers durning his early career

[toejam]

I think that's the key here. A lot of folks bought into the band's hype and the news that Rick Rubin was producing the album. In regards to Rubin, despite what they say, you can try to polish a turd, but in the end you still have a turd and now you've got shit all over the place.

You got that right.

I know AC/DC didn't think Rubin was much of a producer, but at least Ballbreaker was still a kick ass album.

Rick is not a very hands-on producer with established acts. I know Kerry King said that Rick was hardly in the studio and they did most of the work themselves.

[Ben...]

Speaking of Manowar...I got the new Turisas album the other day. The tracklisting on the back is a map.

:idea:What! I must investigate.

[MartinBarre]

you can try to polish a turd, but in the end you still have a turd and now you've got shit all over the place.

You got that right.

I know AC/DC didn't think Rubin was much of a producer, but at least Ballbreaker was still a kick ass album.

[Tekky]

I think the song is ok. I mean I am not so surprised as I wasn't expecting a new metal masterpiece.

I think that's the key here. A lot of folks bought into the band's hype and the news that Rick Rubin was producing the album. In regards to Rubin, despite what they say, you can try to polish a turd, but in the end you still have a turd and now you've got shit all over the place.

[khabibissell]

Sounds better live.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GSWVXHbG0U&feature=related

I think you guys should hold your judgement until the album comes out. All we've heard are raw live tracks and a poorly mixed studio version.

[Jayster]

It didn't really do to much for me either , but I also can't remember the last album I bought - where I enjoyed every track !!!So I'm holding out some hope for the rest of the album.

[Megadeth79]

I think the song is ok. I mean I am not so surprised as I wasn't expecting a new metal masterpiece.

[toejam]

2)I think they dropped the tuen 1/2 in order to sound more "modern" and that's a part of the problem, the way they changed their sound, slower and detuned, another sign of the barbarization of the nu metal of the 90s, compared to the 80s.

They started tuning down on the black album... a couple songs were E, some were Eb, Sad But True was in D. James said D was the coolest tuning for guitar and he would love to stick with that, except he didn't like how the strings got all floppy. Guess he didn't know about heavier gauge strings at the time.
Load and Reload were Eb.
St. Anger was Drop C... not sure if anything was straight D or if it was just Drop C all the way through.

[hippietim]

I just heard the new Metallica on the radio this weekend. Holy shit, it is terrible. It's like someone took a sampler/looper program and copy/pasted a Metallica song together. It is so dorkily predictable at every step of the way.

Kirk Hammett is the luckiest guy alive. He is such a terrible guitar player and he get's to be in Metallica. What a joke. His solos are the worst sort of cheeseball bad garage band wanking there is. It's funny when you go to Guitar Center and these metalhead wannabe's play Metallica - they can't play the rhythm guitar parts but they can nail the solos note for awful note.

[hippietim]

How many of you have a major record contract here? How many of you have made millions here off their record deals? How many of you hate Metallica's shitty new music and won't buy their next album... well that doesnt' matter because they will make millions off this Album also. They still have a record contract because they sell millions.. Another thing why would someone buy their shit if they didn't like it.

If that's how you assess music then Britney Spears Roolz.

[Spivonious]

Speaking of Manowar...I got the new Turisas album the other day. The tracklisting on the back is a map.

[MartinBarre]

So if Metallica's new stuff doesn't sound like their old stuff, maybe you guys need to let go of them instead of asking them to cling to what you want them to do?

Move on. Find another band that is doing it the way it used to be, and support that band. However, there's no need to bag on Metallica. Yes, they were the shit back in the day. They paved the way for others just like Sabbath and Maiden did. They grew up and got slower, just like Sabbath and Maiden did.

When you blaze a new trail, it's only a matter of time before someone follows you down it. The tricky part is knowing when you're the old guy doing 40 in the 65 zone.
If Metallica already know they're that guy, and have moved onto slower roads, WTF is all the crying about?

Simple - Metallica of old were just SOOO fuckin good, and they got shit real fast. People still expect and HOPE for them to be able to write the genius stuff they used to.

As for the downtuning thing - apart from the sludgefest of St Anger which was clearly a trend chasing thing, I think most bands detune as they get older simply because the singer can't hit the high notes any more.
I just wish AC/DC would tune down, so Brian Johnson didn't have to try and scream all the fuckin' time.