New Metallica SINGLE is OUT

[Tekky]

I think the song is ok. I mean I am not so surprised as I wasn't expecting a new metal masterpiece.

I think that's the key here. A lot of folks bought into the band's hype and the news that Rick Rubin was producing the album. In regards to Rubin, despite what they say, you can try to polish a turd, but in the end you still have a turd and now you've got shit all over the place.

[MartinBarre]

you can try to polish a turd, but in the end you still have a turd and now you've got shit all over the place.

You got that right.

I know AC/DC didn't think Rubin was much of a producer, but at least Ballbreaker was still a kick ass album.

[Ben...]

Speaking of Manowar...I got the new Turisas album the other day. The tracklisting on the back is a map.

:idea:What! I must investigate.

[toejam]

I think that's the key here. A lot of folks bought into the band's hype and the news that Rick Rubin was producing the album. In regards to Rubin, despite what they say, you can try to polish a turd, but in the end you still have a turd and now you've got shit all over the place.

You got that right.

I know AC/DC didn't think Rubin was much of a producer, but at least Ballbreaker was still a kick ass album.

Rick is not a very hands-on producer with established acts. I know Kerry King said that Rick was hardly in the studio and they did most of the work themselves.

[Endrik]

that's not quite true... he was very involved when he worked with Johnny Cash or the rappers durning his early career

[GodOfRhythm]

I assume they played slower on S+M cos at full tilt "MOP" would have sounded even more of a mess with the orchestra than it did anyway.

I actually listened again to "Load" today, as a bit of background music while I tidied the house then read the new Guitarist magazine and I quite enjoyed it. Funny how I know all the words, melodies etc so well despite thinking I hate the album! Maybe I like it more than I realise.

Thanks, I really appreciated this comment somehow.

I've noticed this thing a lot, a lot of the load bashing has gone away. Cuz they are actually really good albums, the songwriting is fantastic and there is some really out-there stuff on there, and it's pretty refreshing, I still haven't heard many stuff or maybe anything at all that sounds like those albums.

I mean take Outlaw Torn for example, just wickedly awesome.

[toejam]

that's not quite true... he was very involved when he worked with Johnny Cash or the rappers durning his early career

Yes, earlier, but it doesn't seem like he does as much nowadays. I guess it may be different with a band like Slayer that knows what sound they're looking for and can pretty much do things on their own without much guidance from him.

[toejam]

I mean take Outlaw Torn for example, just wickedly awesome.

The Outlaw Torn is the best song on the Load album!

[Spivonious]

I enjoy the Loads too; they're just not Metallica albums.

[toejam]

I enjoy the Loads too

Does your wife know that? :ROTF:

[Spivonious]

Does your wife know that? :ROTF:

I set myself up for that one.

[toejam]

Hehehe

[Endrik]

Yes, earlier, but it doesn't seem like he does as much nowadays. I guess it may be different with a band like Slayer that knows what sound they're looking for and can pretty much do things on their own without much guidance from him.

he worked with Johnny pretty recently... all the latest stuff before he died.. and also had pretty big part in SOAD albums
and sound as such is the least important part of the production and the thing which Rick doesn't know much about (he stated it himself that he lacks the knowledge of audio engineering, mixing etc.)

[GodOfRhythm]

I enjoy the Loads too; they're just not Metallica albums.

Yes they are Spiv.

If you can embrace the fact that DT puts out their misunderstoods, disappears, silent men and hollow years, then you can surely embrace the fact that Metallica wasn't one-dimensional, they matured.

[åron]

Yes, earlier, but it doesn't seem like he does as much nowadays. I guess it may be different with a band like Slayer that knows what sound they're looking for and can pretty much do things on their own without much guidance from him.

Ten years ago, I heard from an engineer friend working on a Rubin project that he was mostly hands off and only came in to check on progress and have a short talk with the artists. My friend was surprised, but soon found out that this is just how he "works", all the time. There's a lot of resentment for Rubin amongst some engineers and producers for this perceived lack of work ethic. At least for this song, the approach of forcing Lars to track his drums in one take seems to have not paid off.