new metallica has been leaked

[RR05xx]

I'm not one to say that anyone is doing anything ground-breaking out there right now. Mainly because I know what I know, but I'm sure even though I might think someone is doing something pretty original, it probably has been borrowed from somewhere else that I'm just not familiar with. Case in point - I'm a big Lamb Of God fan. Apparently they're just rehashing old Slayer/Pantera licks that have been done a thousand times before and shouldn't be worth my time. I've never really listened to Slayer or Pantera so have no point of reference. Ultimately, what does it matter if I enjoy what they do?

I will argue with those that would assert that nothing good has been released since the albums you mentioned came out.

Didnt say nothing good. I have listened to Lamb of God, Opeth, Shadows Fall, Nevermore, Dragon Force and other "new" bands that are considered to be good nad liked what I heard. Why they sound good is because instead of trying to be greadbreaking and innovative, they decidedly took a step back decided to pay attention to what was done before.

BTW, it is cool that you enjoy what they do, that is what music is for. But if you do like Lamb, check out: Testemant's the New Order and the Legacy, Slayer's Reign in Blood and South of Heaven, Pantera's Vulgar Display of Power and Far Beyond Driven. I think you will find one or two of these albums pretty cool to

[horns666]

LOG is Slayer meets At the Gates..musically. IMO

[VitaminG]

Didnt say nothing good.

sorry, man. Wasn't singling you out with that comment.

BTW, it is cool that you enjoy what they do, that is what music is for. But if you do like Lamb, check out: Testemant's the New Order and the Legacy, Slayer's Reign in Blood and South of Heaven, Pantera's Vulgar Display of Power and Far Beyond Driven. I think you will find one or two of these albums pretty cool to

I actually own The New Order, amongst other Testament stuff. I have listened to Slayer in the past & can appreciate what they do, but they've just never clicked with me. Possibly that frenetic lead style which I find detracts so much from the songs. Cool riffage though. I haven't heard those particular Pantera albums. Most of my Pantera experience was as it blasted out of the cars of the buzz-cut hardcore goons who had just "discovered" metal back in '94 and felt they had to force it upon everyone in town as they drove about. The idiots who were listening to it generally put me off checking out the band. I do have CFH around here somewhere but have listened to it maybe twice. I will check out those two albums though

[RR05xx]

Yep, Slayer's lead style is arse for sure. That is not what they are about (and they are the first ones to admit it).

Another thing I find funny is expectations. I am just about as big old Testament fan as as an old Metallica fan (its real close). So reading all these posts about the Testament album and comparing it to Metallica struck a chord with me.

When I heard that Alex Skolnick was re-joining the band again, I was incredably psyched. I beleive that he is without a doubt tied for best Metal lead player of all time with Marty. So I went to see Testament a bunch of times in the last few years and was floored. He was looking like he was having a blast too and could rip like no one I have seen (I saw G4 right about the same time as one show - Alex could give everyone who did who G4 might arguably be better (Read: Satch and Gilbert!) a serious run for there money IMHO). So when I hear that they are doing a new album, I was really excited and I set my expectations very high. I mean Alex is back with Chuck and both of them appear hungry to do something really massive. So when I finally hear the new stuff, I am very disappointed because it sounds uninspired and flat, sorta like stuff that was written back then, but not good enough make one of the old 80s albums. The solos etc. are just OK IMHO and nothing memorable as I was expecting from Alex, especially after such a long break from the metal.

I was, on the otherhand, convinced that the new Metallica was going to be not just bad, but based on the last 15 years and how they have "progressed" , absolute shit. So I guess when the album turned out to actually not only be real metal, but thrash metal true to their roots, I really decided to give it a chance and I am finding it very, very cool (I admit, though, that I have yet to get more than 10 sec. into Unforgiven III before skipping it - sorry, I thought Unforgiven I was one to many). Based on skipping that one song, it has kept my impression of the album very positve.

Now Skolnick v. Hammet. LOL! Not a fair comparison, Alex was 100 times better than Kirk back then (and just about everyone else too). Then again, I believe that Alex Skolnick is better, because he has both speed and taste (like Marty) than every real metal player still alive and playing metal right now, old and new bands included, so its really elementary (and that opinion will not change until if and when Marty comes back to play with Dave).

[CharvelRocker]

Hey I have a question for anyone else who bought the album. I just noticed there is no Parental Advisory sticker on the album.. anyone else have it with? I'm wondering if I bought a kid friend version of the cd or if metallica is really viewed as that non-threatening now

There are only three Metallica albums with the Tipper Sticker that I know of... St Anger (probably a good thing) S&M (for the title) and Garage Days (I think for the stuff in the booklet...).

[m2pmd70]

Death Magnetic review/novel

Qualifiers: I can't play for crap, I will never write a song or create a riff as good as the tune of a Hetfield air-biscuit. I'm jealous of anyone who can make a living playing music, much less make millions of dollars doing it. I know diddly about music, music theory, recording, production, engineering or any of that kind of stuff. But up until - and even through - the Black Album I knew I liked Metallica. And finally: music, like any other creative endeavor, is subjective. There is no wrong opinion (unless it's not mine heh).

St. Anger I downloaded, listened to all the way through twice & deleted. I bought the first single from Load the day it came out, listened to it once and don't know what happened to it after that. I tried to be fair and have listened to Load & Reload through several times since then. I can appreciate that they're more polished/melodic/musically-complex than previous efforts, but simply don't care for em. I've always said if Load & Reload didn't say Metallica on the front I wouldn't dislike them nearly so much.

*deep breath*

OK, I've listened to Death Magnetic over and over and over since it came out. Here's my verdict, FWIW. It reminds me a lot of Megadeth's United Abominations, with a thrown-together disjointed vibe. Like they went into the studio with nothing and just hacked something together in a hurry (lyrics especially on the 'deth album). I honestly laughed a few times while listening. I don't normally laugh when listening to music... well except Weird Al I guess.

The lyrics are lame, the solos are for the most part tragic. The attempted melodic intros fail miserably and/or add nothing to the songs, which come off sounding artificially/unnecessarily lengthened. Like somebody said, "OK, that's a good song... now make it twice as long." The long-ass songs on AJFA have a sort of "epic" quality to 'em and the parts seemed to fit together. The longer songs here don't have that quality, they just seem to drag on at certain points.

On about half the songs I had to play with the EQ to make the drums not irritate the shit out of me. Maybe it's Lars' personality coming through, but in places it sounds like the drums are front and center... "lead drums" I guess. While it's not the obnoxious pots & pans sound from St. Anger... lay off the friggin' snare Lars. Jeez.

Here are the two good things I have to say about it: it's better than St. Anger (read: bearable-to-listen-to) and it has some good riffs.

All that said, I have tickets to see 'em (and Down, yea!) in Little Rock. I hear they still rock live. I guess I shouldn't expect any Suicidal Tendencies or Infectious Grooves covers, huh? That would be awesome.

Oh and "what doesn't kill you makes you more strong."

[thetroy]

Maybe it's Lars' personality coming through,

:ROTF:

I just listened to two tracks at shitty youtube quality and was intrigued enough that I'm going to download the album.

I was thinking about getting tickets to see them but it's WAY TOO EXPENSIVE.

The only way I'm paying $100+ a ticket is if Cliff is playing and/or I'm right at the front.

[Endrik]

download the Guitar Hero version because the original CD and it's mp3 rips are almost unbearable to listen to.... specially when you use headphones... it's like you are plugging headphones into a cheap solid state guitar amp and turn the vol and gain all the way up.
I haven't heard such a sonic abuse for a long time from a professional studio. Every fucking thing is clipping like hell. The guitar hero mix isn't overcompressed and the mixing faders aren't pushed over 0db.

[khabibissell]

I downloaed it when it was first leaked and liked it enough to buy the retal CD. The retail version is a bit better quality than the leaked version, but still kinda bad.

Nevertheless, I think this is a great record and have been listening to it non stop. I don't get how people are calling it uninspired. I think it is a great effort. Great tunes and Hetfield is a monster rhythm player. As far as Hammet goes, I honestly can't imagine one of the clinical shred dudes playing on this. Hammet's playing just feels right, quirks aside. It is what you expect from Metallica, and it works.

[Endrik]

Ok, I ripped My Apocalypse from Death Magnetic with iTunes and moved it to the Garageband.


jeezus fucking christ... no dynamics whatsoever... it's like after you record your tracks you send them through overdriven guitar amp to mix it

Now I ripped Sad But True from The Black Album, sonically the heaviest album Metallica has made.


There's nothing more to say

[RunDMC]

Ok, I ripped My Apocalypse from Death Magnetic with iTunes and moved it to the Garageband.

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jeezus fucking christ... no dynamics whatsoever... it's like after you record your tracks you send them through overdriven guitar amp to mix it

Now I ripped Sad But True from The Black Album, sonically the heaviest album Metallica has made.

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There's nothing more to say

Indeed. That is appalling. I am still not sure whether to buy the album - I saw them on Jules last night (and Tues) and their new songs (Cyanide and The Day that Never Comes) sound quite 'staccato' - is that the case? The news about the poor production also puts me off quite a bit.

Interestingly, they all looked like they enjoyed playing Enter Sandman more than the new stuff...

[Endrik]

Indeed. That is appalling. I am still not sure whether to buy the album - I saw them on Jules last night (and Tues) and their new songs (Cyanide and The Day that Never Comes) sound quite 'staccato' - is that the case? The news about the poor production also puts me off quite a bit.

Interestingly, they all looked like they enjoyed playing Enter Sandman more than the new stuff...

the music is a matter of taste... I expressed my opinion in my long post before... I listened to it at my friends house through shitty speakers the first time. Now that I have listened it through top notch audio systems... well the problem is today's mentality in the music industry (which is dead anyway)... louder is better... that's the way they think... everything is overcompressed... the volume levels are pushed through the limits... all the brickwall mastering shit is going too far.
I'm not sure in this case if the album's sound was turned into shit durning the mastering process... I think it was done durning the mixing. Every track was made so loud with the faders, then mixed together... and when every track is very loud, then all together they go over the 0db limit... and then they compressed the shit out of it to back down the peaks which were going a lot over the 0db. Now you don't have any dynamics... the supposedly quiet acoustic parts sound as loud as the heavy aggressive parts. And as you can see from the picture I posted... everything is clipping. All the wave peaks are so high and the tips are cut off. This is how you create distortion which is a good thing in a guitar amp but not in the whole album of music.
A couple of other albums produced by Rick Rubin also have this problem... like the lastest Red Hot Chili Peppers... but not as bad as this.
Funny people pitch about how bad St.Anger's sound is, which actually has a very good mix.

[RR05xx]

Yeah, St. Anger may have been mixed properly, but the production, particularly the guitar sound, was the worst I have ever heard on a "real" album and the songs sucked.

IMHO - that album is a epitomy of the "if anyone but them brought it to a music label as a demo - they would have gotten laughed out of the place" concept.

Not everyone is going to like the new album (I remember when Justice first came out, I mean how do you top Master, well, you dont and dont get me started on the Black album - they one took a long while for a lot of hardcore fans to accept - my old drummer from high school didnt really start to like the Black Album until after Load came out, lesser of two evils i guess).

However, I have noticed that most people who considered themselves to be old school fans are happy. First time that has happened in a long, long time.

[MartinBarre]

Oh and "what doesn't kill you makes you more strong."

Yep, that reminded me of Megadeth except Mustaine put it correctly.
There's also a rip off of the "Spanish Castle Magic" Hendrix riff, and I believe, Anthrax's "Be All, End All" riff which was also ripped off recently by Behemoth.
Just sayin'.
I think it's a good album after listening to it a fair bit, but it's not fast as someone else said. I don't think there's one single song on it I'd class as fast in comparison to other thrash type stuff.
The solos are totally poor, and overall I think Megadeth's UA is a much better album in every way - better songwriting, better musicianship by a fucking mile, better solos, better singing, better lyrics.

[m2pmd70]

Speaking of United Abominations, I picked it up the same day as Prong's Power of the Damager, guess which one I'm still listening to...