True metal vs trends

[Ben...]

Good thing I'm not really religious so I don't have to follow the 11th commandment. No offense to anyone, I just don't like them anymore.

[nsubulysses]

With all due respect..Human Remains will turn most people here completely off. This is the antithesis what I'm attempting to showcase at this time. I hate brutality for the sake of it. I require musical value and cohesion with outstanding musicianship, vocals, production and songcraft. My standards of quality METAL would NOT include bands such as Human Remains...for the obvious reasons.

But I'm aim to please..for you..enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg8kaBdcHF8

With metal like this I can see why people can't tell the difference between quality metal and core trends. As a muscian honing my tone, skills, and writing for 30+ years.. I can't find one redeeming musical value with bands like this..

AGAIN, I intend to expose metal accessabile to the average member here, not just to indulge in my selfish personal taste.

Thank you,

Bill Z

Thanks for posting that. I couldn't really find anything. I was hoping for something live but that's cool.

Bill, I'm surprised you don't like this band. They have sick riffs! Plus they use the volume knob on their 7 strings like most people use a toggle switch. I would say there were a pretty progressive band for the late 80s/early 90s. Anyway, that's just me.

Oh and as far as this being OT from the thread that's my fault because I didn't read the whole thing. It's like 13 pages or something!

[phill_up]

I listened to the "As we speak" again and now I'm going to have to go for a walk in hopes that some small dog will try to attack me so I can kick it.

Yo' peace out!

[phill_up]

I love wikipedia - I just found out there's something called "groove metal."

Now - is groove metal metal or should I stop listening to Pantera?

Contrary to belief there are some that believe there was an 11th commandment but Moses was just so pissed he didn't pick up.

#11 Thou shalt listen to pantera!

I wouldn't take any chances, I would put some in Now!

[Endrik]

I'm floatin' yo... peace motherfuckers

[Grandturk]

I love wikipedia - I just found out there's something called "groove metal." I had no idea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groove_metal

I guess I like it because I have most of the CD's they mention.

Now - is groove metal metal or should I stop listening to Pantera?

[horns666]

Very good points Phil..and ones and can explain..only if I had the time. I will elaborate on that later..

@ Endrik..man, he fuggin' kills me!!

[Endrik]

I don't think anyone takes seriously what wikipedia or some fans say or how they categorize something.

That being said I don't care what anyone says about soilwork... I could never listen to them... very depressing... they made me feel really bad inside, physically... specially the song As We Speak... I dunno how, it has a very weird effect on me... I have to listen to a lot of hippy shit to get that feeling out of me... just by checking that link it reminded me what that tune did to me.... now I'm floating on psychedelic noises... some Hendrix and trippy era Beatles seem to do the trick

[phill_up]

Please keep in mind I am only quoting

core isn't supposed to be metal... core comes from punk... first there was hardcore (punk on steroids) then there was grindcore and then all the other stuff

no, it's modern hardcore (very bad I might say) mixed with metal elements.... if a fusion of hardcore and metal should be metal... then you get thrash metal...

And from wikipedia...

Soilwork is a Swedish melodic death metal band from Helsingborg... Due to their more recent changes in sound, they have been likened to their label mates In Flames, labeled metalcore in some instances and even faced scrutiny by fans for their progressive sound.

We are on to something here guys

[phill_up]

Bill, what sub genres are under the umbrella of true metal though? Maybe you are saying that the sub genre doesn't define true metal or trend? Even though you consider a band as trendy does something about a certain band get your attention and demand airplay as well?

The first time I heard soilwork I too was impressed. The quality of the recording was kick ass and it led me to listen to inFlames which was also another kick ass recording. It left me wanting more action though. If I were to compare flag football to football, I would have to say that SW & IF would be flag football. As good as it is I wanted to see someone eat some turf!

A JCF member posted this one time -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJkMrl4AG8w Not only does this band make you eat turf, but they will also tear the goal post down and shove it up your ass. Ralph Santolla's solo is a god send to catch your breath! This band is almost over the edge for me.

There is one band that I would like to bring up. Wikipedia is not a reliable source but over 2 decades of kicking ass is. That would make these guys "True" and far from trendy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obituary_(band)

with all do respect.
Flag Football http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJULYdRRx3s
Real Football http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhZqs_jcMhU

[horns666]

Can anyone find a Human Remains clip? That band was awesome and super metal

With all due respect..Human Remains will turn most people here completely off. This is the antithesis what I'm attempting to showcase at this time. I hate brutality for the sake of it. I require musical value and cohesion with outstanding musicianship, vocals, production and songcraft. My standards of quality METAL would NOT include bands such as Human Remains...for the obvious reasons.

But I'm aim to please..for you..enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg8kaBdcHF8

With metal like this I can see why people can't tell the difference between quality metal and core trends. As a muscian honing my tone, skills, and writing for 30+ years.. I can't find one redeeming musical value with bands like this..

AGAIN, I intend to expose metal accessabile to the average member here, not just to indulge in my selfish personal taste.

Thank you,

Bill Z

[Endrik]

true metal, trend metal... meh... I like something in between... I like sleazy metal.

Lately I've been listening to Hardcore Superstar... they are from Sweden and they get into fights they call their music Street Metal and it's a fusion 80's hair metal, glam and sleaze rock, punk and thrash metal.

Just look at their video... it's so bad and cheesy that it's actually good

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv6YuP3BhEM

some other tunes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzT0wDzJu1I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mARFcFx_mI4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIWI_tSz67o&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ez5in4KS5I

nice lyrics in the last one

myspace: http://www.myspace.com/hcssgbg

it's a true quilty pleasure of mine... but I'm not a lone... Lemmy loves 'em too.
I really dig the vocals... the singer is not a vocal god by any means... but for the sleazy stuff it's perfect.

[horns666]

Bjorn "Speed" Strid of Soilwork.."Um, I mean a lot of metalcore bands in that genre are doing something which is very trendy right now and there are so many bands that have just adopted someone else’s sound. There’s no deeper meaning or substance to it."

[nsubulysses]

Can anyone find a Human Remains clip? That band was awesome and super metal

[horns666]

I thought soilwork was pop metal?

Absolutely not!

In 2000 Rob Halford stated that "Soilwork was the future of metal"..The metal god was 100% right! Soilwork was one of THE main player in the NWOSDT movement (New wave of swedish death thrash)..they were formed at the time At The Gates released the metal landmark "Slaughter of the soul"..they took that formula and ran with it, like many swedish bands did and gothenburg was a household word amoung metaheads. My introduction to Soilwork was in early 2000 when "Chainheart machine" was released. To me, they refined what "Slaughter of the soul" was about. It inspired me to seek and buy every swedish melodic death thrash I got my hands on..too many to list. They were my favorite Swedethrash band due to Peter Wichers playing and songcraft, and singer Bjorn "Speed" strid"..it was different and fresh. At this time Arch Enemy released their second wih ex singer Johan Liva. I definitely prefered SW to AE in ever possible way. The songs were more aggressive, I definitely prefered Strid's voice over the VERY monotone Liva, and the solos were just as melodic as anything the Amotts have done and better IMO. Bjorn actually wanted to "sing" and took lessons and became a real powerhouse. This added more dynamics to their sound and made them more accessible overall. This was still when Korn, Creed, Kid Rock, Disturbed, ruled and metal was still non exist in the mainsteam. In 2003 something funny happened, metal started to surface and after 10 years or so, real metal bands where playing Ozzfest...including SW. With their growing popularity Strid utlized his clean poweful voice even more. But did not make the fatal mistake that In Flames did with "The soundtrack to your escape" where Anders does his Johnathan Davis impression..which flopped. IF quickly learned by that fuck up, and went back being who they are, but didn't bounce back completely. That move hurt them. The most commercial SW cd is "Stabbing the drama" my least favorite cd as well as many long time SW fans. They didn't want to make the same mistake their buds in IF did and not compromise the integrity of their metal blood. They redeemed themselves with "Sworn to the great divide" which is a great release IMO!! It is everything new metal should be. Unfortunately many US bands took that formula and watered it down and made it completly fuggin' gay..hmmm imagine that! Such bands with early releases by As I lay dying, Killswitch Engage, Avenge Sevenfold and ect owe everything to Soilwork, and they openly admit it. They wouldn't exist without them..right down to their Comparison guitars. Years later bands like KSE has improved since metal is "safe" again and dropped some of the gayness with their monotone, tone deaf crooning bullshit choruses..a formula that's been beat to death by countless "core" bands that can NOT sing their way out of a paper bag. Now if anyone was new to Soilwork I could see how they could get lost in the overflow of the scene they single handidly created. If you compare Soilwork to the the many examples of trends I've have posted the difference is blatantly obvious. Soilwork has not succumb to trends to the point of selling out and do NOT care to be one of a billion bands that sound like flaming gay At The Gates with a down syndrome...with Beatle haircuts.

Ie. In 2002 I wanted to bring Gothenburg to Cleveland with my band Bed Of Nails. There was no scene at the time and still isn't to this day. What I intended to do was cutting edge locally and unpopular in the days of Nu/Rap "metal". I used the word "metal" in quotation because that is what the mainstream dictated it was...and we all know if the mainsteam says so..it must be so! I would have NEVER guessed what I loved so much in the underground 10 years ago would be so popular today. But, like anything POPULAR..it gets beat to death and dummied down to the point of cooki-cutter nauseum. Even staying to my true metal roots would just get lost in the shuffle..so, why fuggin' bother.

Even tho I am actually starting a project with a friend of mine that IS truly influenced by the gothenburg sound. I couldn't refuse the offer to record with Curran Murphy (nevermore/annihilator) produced by Neil Kernon..but that's another thread.

I'll get back to the metal..but I had to clarify this honest misnomer.

A couple helpful links to Soilwork..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soilwork

metalkings.com/reviews/soilwork/soilweng.htm