True metal vs trends

[Endrik]

I saw Pantera in 1992 shortly after VDP came out and it was insane! It was in Hollywood at a theater with balconies running the length of the venue (can't remember the name). I remember Blues Scarceno was up there watching which was pretty cool. I also remember some dude hanging from a cable that ran across the floor from the balcony... I remember wondering how the hell he got there It was a great show. Believe it or not Trouble opened for them.

that's cool... Dime was a huge Saraceno fan, even tattoed his 2nd album name Plaid on himself... Blues must have been pretty flattered
how was Trouble btw? they have incredible heavy sound live

[thetroy]

Meh. After that series of posts I cannot put any stock into the opinions of either of you guys(Endrik and SpiralArchitect).

Pantera put out "Cemetary Gates" which is a fantastic song, but the rest of their stuff is mediocre at best to me. Certainly not one of the best bands ever. They wouldn't be so revered if Dime were still here.

CoB is good. Not great, but still pretty good. Certainly not one of the worst bands ever.

[khabibissell]

while Pantera is possibly one of the best bands I've ever heard, COB is one of the worst... fuck me... I rather listen to Aqua than that shit

I can see that. You come off as a guy that likes alot of groove in your music, and Pantera was groovin' even when they were laying down the metal. Darrell wore his EVH influence on his sleeve (everyone talks about Eddie's lead playing, but listen to his rhythm chops! He always grooves his ass off). And of course Vinnie... I've always dug his playing as well. His beats always have a great feel to them.

I saw Pantera in 1992 shortly after VDP came out and it was insane! It was in Hollywood at a theater with balconies running the length of the venue (can't remember the name). I remember Blues Scarceno was up there watching which was pretty cool. I also remember some dude hanging from a cable that ran across the floor from the balcony... I remember wondering how the hell he got there It was a great show. Believe it or not Trouble opened for them.

[SpiralArchitect]

yeah one of the bands I tried hard to get into, but along with LoG and others I just can't do it!

to me I'd rather listen to the bands they are trying so hard to mimic and update, it just doesnt work for me.

C

[Endrik]

I 100% agree, why did I say I liked COB????? christ I hope not hahaha

C

ehee, no you didn't say but there was a discussion about it before... goddamn, they sounded lame since the day one

[SpiralArchitect]

I 100% agree, why did I say I liked COB????? christ I hope not hahaha I don't remember I typed a bunch of rambeling bullshit above.


C

[Endrik]

while Pantera is possibly one of the best bands I've ever heard, COB is one of the worst... fuck me... I rather listen to Aqua than that shit

[SpiralArchitect]

Okay

I've been metal since the day I was shot out so I think I have a good grasp on things.

I want to point out one thing, that has bugged me since 4 or so pages back, some dude mentioned that Biomechanical sounded like Pantera? *cue sound of stopping a record*
Hold the phone, I went onto youtube and looked for this Biomechanical band and all I could find was a shitty death/power band with no likeness to pantera what so ever, and I def? did I hear the same band your listening too? unless I heard the wrong tracks?

anyhow I will say that I believe I'm this boards self proclaimed Pantera FREAK, I know your sick of hearing about phil and dime and deans but just hear me out for a second because Dime was my Hero, so please don't come and bash them right now or say shit about a man who's dead, I'm not slinging overpriced overproduced guitars right now.

The way I see this thread is that alot of bands that are not from the original lineup of metal bands are being referred to as Trend bands, now I agree with that considering I don't like any other bands other than Pantera......honestly hahah
I've listened to them since 1990 and every day almost since then, so I know the music better than the back of my hand which I know quite well, and I want to say that inside the idiom of metal NO band speaks to me as much as they did, now this is MY opinion only.

I've tried to like alot of other bands to keep my mind of the tragic facts that Pantera is no more and will never be EVER again, so I tried, but I just can't do it, the majority of bands that are even considered metal just fuckin suck to me, now I love Metallica, Megadeth, Morbid Angel, Immolation, Death, Misfits, Van Halen, and a shitload of others, but all these bands that are supposed to be the "defenders of the faith" just fuckin don't do a good godamn thing for me REALLY, all the kids that are comin up now seem to not have a clue as to why they are here, as if they are creating this music and as if all these older bands we know and love didn't exist. I work in a guitar store and saw a kid walk in with a slayer shirt the other day, and I stopped him and asked him what slayer tune was his favourite and he didn't even like the band, he just bought the shirt at hot topic cause it had a green devil on it, but claimed to have never really hear anything by them, but his fave band was avanged sevenfold. It blew my fucking mind

Back when I was a kid, if you were a kid and you had a slayer or pantera shirt You GODAMN well fucking knew why you had that shirt and why you wore it and how fucking insane those bands were, it's almost like now it's hip to be a poser and a bullshit kid with no REAL tastes?

FUCK yes solos are back, YES metal is back, but at what cost, BTTBAM? Unearth? the black daliah murder? Fuck me.......all these bands Blow so hard I can't even begin to say what I feel! Christ, every kid I knew back in the day who was into metal was into metal, because it fuckin kicked ass, and for no other reason now it is just a fad to be a metal head, it fuckin is really wierd for me.


Anyhow

I hate everything and Only Love Pantera......gunna go listen to the great southern trendkill again, a fuckin cd that si so purly classic and will be relevant 20 years from now

let me show you why

It's wearing on my mind, I'm speaking all my doubts aloud
You rob a dead mans grave, then flaunt it like you did create
If I hit bottom and everythings gone
In the great Mississippi, please drown me and run

It's digging time again, you're nurturing the weakest trend

Those with the heart and the brain to get past this
Can spot a pathetic without even asking

Fuck your magazine, and fuck the long dead plastic scene
Pierce a new hole, if Hell was "in"
you'd give your soul

THE GREAT SOUTHERN TRENDKILL
That's right,
THE GREAT SOUTHERN TRENDKILL

Buy it at a store, from MTV to on the floor
You look just like a star, it's proof you don't know who you are

If I hit bottom and everythings gone
In the great Mississippi, please drown me and run

It's bullshit time again, you'll save the world within your trend

Those with the heart and the brain to get past this
Can spot a pathetic without even asking

Politically relieved, you're product sold and well received
The right words spoken gold, if I was God you'd sell your soul to...


that sums this whole thread up to me, and that was from 1996, when they had to deal with Korn and Limpwristkit, and Pantera Never strayed from the style they eventually found.

Now I know someone is going to argue that Pantera jumped on a trend, and while it may have some vailidity to that point, I still disagree I have those records from before cowbosy and while alot of it is kiss+van halen, it was still thier roots. Anyhow I'm glad they went the way they did, since it's so fucking precious to me.

anyhow, I'm glad I lived it, met dime the few times I did and rip it up every day


WATCH IT GO!

C

[thetroy]

I could never get into Bodom. I'd rather hear Alexi & Roope's playing in Sinergy. Plus they had Marco Hietala for a while too!

Sinergy is way better than Bodom but I still like the first few Bodom albums.

[skorb]

THIS is metal to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzaMwcM_hDA

and this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzaMwcM_hDA

and this is the 70's melodic metal that I grew up on and that really did it - once I heard this stuff I was rock forever

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdtpbg0uOLE

[VitaminG]

I could never get into Bodom. I'd rather hear Alexi & Roope's playing in Sinergy. Plus they had Marco Hietala for a while too!

[khabibissell]

Rollin old school!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8miZRD5jW6M

This brings back some memories

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1CP-Iapiq0

[khabibissell]

This is good stuff too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK10YWuzwL8

[khabibissell]

The first 3 (or 4 depending on who you ask) CoB albums kick ass. Follow The Reaper in particular is fantastic!

And yeah Therion is not for everyone, that's cool. I like them in small doses much the same way I can only take screamy and growly vocals in small doses.

I've seen Bodom twice (once at Harpos and at Gigantour). They were great both times.

[thetroy]

The first 3 (or 4 depending on who you ask) CoB albums kick ass. Follow The Reaper in particular is fantastic!

And yeah Therion is not for everyone, that's cool. I like them in small doses much the same way I can only take screamy and growly vocals in small doses.