True metal vs trends

[horns666]

Joe is correct again..his moobs are wise!

[toejam]

And Led Zep, while they had their heavier moments, had a lot of bluegrass and folk roots in their music. They still kicked ass at what they did, but were not metal.

I'd say metal got its start from Black Sabbath, who originally were a bluesy hard rock band called Earth, then they took it to another level. Judas Priest became metal, but their first couple of albums were more bluesy hard rock too (and they dressed in flowery blouses, bellbottoms, and looked like hippies).

[horns666]

Ozzy and Lemmy are *not* metal? Now educate me.

Trying to define a popular music genre (yes, metal is popular music) in rational, muso terms can be a tricky thing, because many genre divisons often have their origin in extra-musical sociological phenomena like marketing strategies (top-down) or the fan bases trying to set themselves apart from each other (bottom-up). Or can anyone state the significant musical difference (choice of tempi, harmonic progressions, counterpoint, melody, instrumentation) between Iron Maiden and Manowar? I have learned that one is metal, the other a joke.

In musical terms, Motorhead is just Chuck Berry speed up and played at higher volume. Which is not a bad thing at all, but I experience the difference between them as something more profound than the chosen tone of their amp.

The most reliable criteria I have seen so far is sociological: Metal is pure white working class, Rock is middle class. Hence, Ozzy and Motorhead are metal.

Joe is correct. Ozzy and Lemmy, AC/DC, Led Zep and ect are not metal..they are what metal evloved from. They are purveyors of metal..Ozzy and Van Halen wrote metal songs..such as Bark at the Moon, Mr Crowley, Atomic Punk, Light Up the sky ect...but morphed into Momma I'm commin' home and When its love..top 40. So Many bands did that...it doesn't mean they suck..but "metal" took a back seat for fame. Motorehead, AC/DC..those fuckers are exactly now what they were then..and we love 'em for it! Metalheads embrace them!..so don't get all sisphosterous on us.

[toejam]

Ozzy and Lemmy are *not* metal? Now educate me.

They're hard rock. Motorhead will even tell you they're not metal, they're just a rock 'n' roll band. Close enough to metal, I guess, but technically not.

[horns666]

Is black metal true metal? Its been around for almost a couple decades now and has been connected to pagans, satanists, and the burning of churches which IMO is about as metal as it gets.

the answer is..yes.

[horns666]

testament only metal thing going always have always will

"Only"..No..one of many..yes...they do kick ass.

That's right Ben this is the thread..It should be a fuggin' sticky. Because the JCF metal boss has the wheel of this one.

Why am I here..the wife..eh...she's just got outta the tub!

Bye!

[Incster]

Well, we have to define true metal, because even Ozzy, Motorhead, Led Zeppelin, Van Halen, '80s hair bands have been called metal, but they're NOT METAL.

Ozzy and Lemmy are *not* metal? Now educate me.

Trying to define a popular music genre (yes, metal is popular music) in rational, muso terms can be a tricky thing, because many genre divisons often have their origin in extra-musical sociological phenomena like marketing strategies (top-down) or the fan bases trying to set themselves apart from each other (bottom-up). Or can anyone state the significant musical difference (choice of tempi, harmonic progressions, counterpoint, melody, instrumentation) between Iron Maiden and Manowar? I have learned that one is metal, the other a joke.

In musical terms, Motorhead is just Chuck Berry speed up and played at higher volume. Which is not a bad thing at all, but I experience the difference between them as something more profound than the chosen tone of their amp.

The most reliable criteria I have seen so far is sociological: Metal is pure white working class, Rock is middle class. Hence, Ozzy and Motorhead are metal.

[arbiter]

Is black metal true metal? Its been around for almost a couple decades now and has been connected to pagans, satanists, and the burning of churches which IMO is about as metal as it gets.

[Ben...]

I saw this thread title and thought "YES!!!!!!"

Edit: So I read your home thread, Bill. This is the recommendation thread where we tell people what's what and all that. Alright! Count me in!

[thetroy]

Gotta love the Pigeonhole Principle!

[gotwtt]

testament only metal thing going always have always will

[shobet]

[horns666]

I just disrobed and wearing my stretched out crotchless tighties.. Troy just posted stuff I was going to post for him. Wow, talking about like minds. Troy gave me a little backround what he digs..I was going to post Deam Evil's United cd..but he went earlier..oops..Fire Battle in Metal..yep, that's what I'm talkin' 'bout..great song!! THAT'S METAL!!

Did you know Gus G left Dream Evil because the band was kind of tongue in cheek with stuff like Heavy Metal Jesus..so he left. So what did they do, they got serious and got another shredder!! That's OK Gus is doing fine with Firewind and Mystic Prophesy. He was in Arch Enemy for a bit but it didn't quite work out for him. I liked his work in Nightrage with At The Gates Thon Linberg..but he left that too. I saw Firewind with Into Eternity and Edguy..I met Ace there..he was roadie-ing. Ace is a good man..he was workin' his ass off. I got to hand out with him on the Hammerfall/Edguy/Into Eternity show too..it was nice! THAT'S METAL!!!

Guys did you hear JCF bro's Gryphoguitars "Silent Call" cd yet..Damn its good!!! I can't believe I found a copy at Half Price books today!! Goran Edman sings on a song..and our dude can shred..quality prog tinged, hard edged AOR, melodic agressive metal..with awesome vocals..THAT'S METAL!!

Well guys..my kid is over his freind's house..my wife wants to do it..I'll be back in 30 seconds.

No, I gotta do some things..Joe..guys..make sure everyone behaves..I'll be back!

Troy you got the right idea..youtube man..go nuts. That's what I'm doin' when I come back!!

[Jack The Riffer]

It wouldn't be metal without the moobs!!!

[toejam]

Can I wear a Cape and Speedo to this discussion?

Yes, as long as I can show my moobs.