Thank god for out of country pharmacies

[CharvelRocker]

Commies the whole lot of you.

If you read the Democrats plan for Socialized Healthcare you will see that their are "strings attached" which eventually will lead to mandatory drug testing and HIV/AIDS testing in order to continue to receive benefits.

What is wrong with the system is the insurance companies and the "pre existing condition"-denial so those who can afford insurance cannot get it. This I beleive is criminal.

See if eakinj can afford the meds every month he could afford private insurance for his Mom but because of the "Pre-existing Condition clause" he can not get insurance for her.

This is fucked. Been through it with my family as well.

+1 to that, especially the Pre Existing part. I think a simple way to begin solving problems would be to strike down pre-existing condition clauses, which would open up a lot of people for it. That said, about GoR's note of any should be able to get immediate treatment without discreation or insurance, there is a way you can; go to the ER! My mom works at a hospital that serves a fair number of poor farmers and illegals who work the local mushroom farms and fields, a lot of them to do that for basic things. Then when they need to pay, they can't be found.

The other issue with socialized health care is you would be putting it out there for people who don't deserve. I don't want to pay for some bum who wound up on the street because he was too lazy to work to get his meds. The government has too many sponges as it is. People just want it served to them. while not all people who need health care help are like this, I would safely bet at least a third of them are.

[gotwtt]

my family atleast have had no problems from our health service

[åron]

The other issue with socialized health care is you would be putting it out there for people who don't deserve. I don't want to pay for some bum who wound up on the street because he was too lazy to work to get his meds. The government has too many sponges as it is. People just want it served to them. while not all people who need health care help are like this, I would safely bet at least a third of them are.

I guess we can rely on you and yours to decide who deserves to live and who deserves to die.

Health Care for profit is evil. Kaiser is doctor owned and not for profit. Make that the national system already.

[joelayres]

will lead to mandatory drug testing

This would be a good thing. Get the druggies off drugs - what a novel concept.

[emperor_black]

I saw that movie, "sicko" that was funny as hell when they was talking about how good of health care the "evil do'ers" was getting in Guantanamo bay so they loaded the boat up with sick people and took them there, then the siren went off! I guess if you get too sick you can claim to be a terrorist.

:ROTF: that was pretty funny. Yeah "sicko". I forgot the name of the movie. When my wife delivered, even though my employer paid 90% for the pregnancy, I kept getting lot of bills. I think I must have paid over $5000 in all. Also, they put my kid in the NICU for three days fearing infection since my wife's labor was over 24 hours and she got a slight fever when she delivered. Without insurance, those three days stay would have costed me over $30,000. In the movie, a couple delivers their baby and still get refunded for the taxi ride home or something like that. That was in the UK right? I keep wondering how much of the movie is true.

[CharvelRocker]

I guess we can rely on you and yours to decide who deserves to live and who deserves to die.

Health Care for profit is evil. Kaiser is doctor owned and not for profit. Make that the national system already.

I think you missed my point. People who don't deserve it because they are too lazy to work will get coverage at the cost of people who do an deserve the coverage. It's all or nothing. Not to mention, at least to someone who can work should be getting insurance. that is gone with a nationalized, guaranteed system. And I agree you can't honestly pick and choose coverage. So for every couple people it would really help, they would need to be burdened with paying in their taxes for someone who doesn't. Now in a perfect world, we wouldn't have that issue. Problem is, the world isn't perfect.

EDIT: That said, I think one thing they could do, is rather than pay for regular visits and medications, would be pay for, without condition, are extreme cases, such as heart surgeries, organ transplants, artificial limbs (our health insurance company just footed the $30k bill for a family member's new prosthetic leg, thank God), cancer treatment, etc. Or maybe drugs beyond a certain price point. That I think would be a fairly healthy medium for advocates of both system, but politicians would never go for middle ground like that.

[AK47]

This would be a good thing. Get the druggies off drugs - what a novel concept.

I guess you missed the point of the constitution.

If they want to do it with socialized health care in Canada or the UK or Mexico then great.

[AK47]

I guess we can rely on you and yours to decide who deserves to live and who deserves to die.

Health Care for profit is evil. Kaiser is doctor owned and not for profit. Make that the national system already.

Kaiser is the McDonalds of health care. I have it and its horrible. If I did not have the resources to pay out of pocket for my own specialists I would be really screwed right now as it appears I may have Lyme disease but wont know for sure till later this month.

If it was up to Kaiser I would be on my deathbed before they figured out something is wrong with me. As with Lyme disease treatment/identification early is critical and the doctors there refused to have me tested since it costs 700 dollars. I have paid over 1000 dollars out of pocket to get treatment I should have got with Kaiser.

Fuck Kaiser!

[rjohnstone]

I guess we can rely on you and yours to decide who deserves to live and who deserves to die.

Health Care for profit is evil. Kaiser is doctor owned and not for profit. Make that the national system already.

Kaiser has been sued for inept care more times than I can count.
And Kaiser is in fact a for profit entity.
Read the fine print.
Kaiser also does not allow malpractice suits. When you sign the contract, you agree to not sue them or any of their doctors in public court.
Complaints are sent to a closed proceeding for arbitration.

Mandatory arbitration

In order to contain costs, Kaiser requires agreement by planholders to submit patient malpractice claims to arbitration rather than litigating through the court system. This has triggered some discussion and dissent. Some cases proceed to court and one argument is over whether the requirement to go through dispute resolution is enforceable.
Kaiser established an Office of Independent Administrators (OIA) in 1999 to oversee the arbitration process. The degree to which this is independent has been questioned.
Wilfredo Engalla is a notable case. In 1991, Engalla died of lung cancer nearly five months after submitting a written demand for arbitration. The California Supreme Court found that Kaiser had a financial incentive to wait until after Engalla died; his spouse could recover $500,000 from Kaiser if the case was arbitrated while he was alive, but only $250,000 after he died. The Foundation for Taxpayer & Consumer Rights contends that Kaiser continues to oppose HMO arbitration reform.
Patients and consumer interest groups sporadically attempt to bring lawsuits against Kaiser Permanente. Recent lawsuits include Gary Rushford's attempt to use proof of a physician lie to overturn an Arbitration decision.

The fox is guarding the hen house.

Health care for profit is not evil, it's how hospitals get better equipment and better doctors on staff.

Government run hospitals are a fucking joke. They do not give a shit about the patient, just the number of bodies run through the system so they can keep their funding coming in.

Socialized medicine is not the answer.

Better regulations on the industry to control costs is the answer.
Make lobbying by corporations illegal.
Making BS "pre-existing condition" exemptions illegal.
Tell hospitals they will be charged with fraud if they try and charge you $25 for one fucking Tylenol when you can buy the whole damn bottle for less than $6.
That is what we need to have done.

I refuse to have my taxes increased to cover some lazy fuck who can't get off his/her lazy ass and go to work. Being disabled is one thing... sucking on the government tit because it's easier than working is another... time for that bitch to dry up.
That goes for the illegals as well... no free ride. Go mooch off your own government.


There... I can breath now.

[joelayres]

I guess you missed the point of the constitution.

If they want to do it with socialized health care in Canada or the UK or Mexico then great.

Where in the constitution does it gaurantee people the right to do drugs and wreak havoc in the lives of everyone around them? I have the right to drug test my employees (and believe me, I do), so why should they not be required to be tested to be insured?

[zeegler]

Where in the constitution does it gaurantee people the right to do drugs and wreak havoc in the lives of everyone around them? I have the right to drug test my employees (and believe me, I do), so why should they not be required to be tested to be insured?

Do you drink coffee or beer? Have you ever smoked a cigarette? If so, you are a hypocrite. Or, are you one of those people who don't believe that those things count as drugs?

[AK47]

Where in the constitution does it gaurantee people the right to do drugs and wreak havoc in the lives of everyone around them? I have the right to drug test my employees (and believe me, I do), so why should they not be required to be tested to be insured?

You own the business or work for a business that is offering employment and you can do as you please, you are not in a position to deny healthcare. I drug test people that a hire for my families business. If government runs all healthcare then that is the problem right there.

Government should not be stepping in and dictating how you live your life and take away any chance you may have at treatment because you smoked a joint one time and got called in for a mandatory drug screen to maintain your benefits.

[phill_up]

+1 to that, especially the Pre Existing part. I think a simple way to begin solving problems would be to strike down pre-existing condition clauses, which would open up a lot of people for it. That said, about GoR's note of any should be able to get immediate treatment without discreation or insurance, there is a way you can; go to the ER! My mom works at a hospital that serves a fair number of poor farmers and illegals who work the local mushroom farms and fields, a lot of them to do that for basic things. Then when they need to pay, they can't be found.

The other issue with socialized health care is you would be putting it out there for people who don't deserve. I don't want to pay for some bum who wound up on the street because he was too lazy to work to get his meds. The government has too many sponges as it is. People just want it served to them. while not all people who need health care help are like this, I would safely bet at least a third of them are.

Dude you have got to read this. this kid dies from an abscess tooth, his mom should face charges also. Like my GF said, if our little girl was sick she would to what ever it took to get the money if no one would help a little kid. but damn this kid racked up a bill in the end and still died.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/163856/child_dies_for_lack_of_dental_care.html?cat=5

Even if we don't have free health care in the USA why cant we have it free for kids under 18 at least?

[joelayres]

I think I must have upset some democrats that think meth heads should be treated like people.

[phill_up]

.oO Note to self: Do not have sex with Bambie... might get Lyme's Disease Oo.