Thank god for out of country pharmacies

[AK47]

I think I must have upset some democrats that think meth heads should be treated like people.

That is why I say screw socialized health care at first you are going have to be paying for all these worthless people's healthcare. Then the stipulations for mandatory testing will take effect which could completly screw people over in the end.

Our system sucks because of "pre-exsisting condition" clause that denies people insurance but if you dont want to work or pay for your own insurance then go without it.

I do not want to see a system where government has complete control over every aspect of our life.

Lets not forget Illegal Aliens that use ERs as their primary care clinic. That was not happening 15 years ago.

I hope the democrat comment was not directed at me as I am very conserative in my views.

[eakinj]

Kaiser is the McDonalds of health care. I have it and its horrible. If I did not have the resources to pay out of pocket for my own specialists I would be really screwed right now as it appears I may have Lyme disease but wont know for sure till later this month.

If it was up to Kaiser I would be on my deathbed before they figured out something is wrong with me. As with Lyme disease treatment/identification early is critical and the doctors there refused to have me tested since it costs 700 dollars. I have paid over 1000 dollars out of pocket to get treatment I should have got with Kaiser.

Fuck Kaiser!

yeah my mom is with Kaiser. getting a test done is like getting teeth pulled, painful processes. and now that it's mixed with medicare D,. blah..

[AK47]

yeah my mom is with Kaiser. getting a test done is like getting teeth pulled, painful processes. and now that it's mixed with medicare D,. blah..

If you are young and healthy its great for getting some stiches done or maybe if you break your arm great but now when shit hits the fan your SOL.

Just found out I have to pay for additional testing and its going to cost me another 1000 next month out of pocket. Lyme is not a easy thing to test for.

My Kaiser primary care is still trying to give me benadryl for a bullseye rash I have had for 3+ months and still refuses to acknoledge my other symptoms directly related to Lyme disease. Kaiser refuses to even communicate with the Lyme specialist I am paying out of pocket for.

[åron]

Evidently some of you guys with Kaiser don't know how to work their system. Perhaps you are as beligerent there as folks act here? Kaiser does get sued, all the time - like any hospital. That clause is the language of lawyers. It doesn't mean a thing, in point of fact. It just makes it more difficult to sue. It's the same thing you see when you use a piece of software or purchase any goods these days. A lot of your rhetoric comes from a time before HMOs. These days, denial of coverage is what HMOs do. That's how you pay your CEO 8 figures and the senior managers 7.

You guys make great points, but it always turns into a political mudfest. Using a managed, regulated health care system is the only workable solution. Welcome to the overcrowded 21st century. All this anger is just raising your blood pressure.

[phill_up]

You made a good point there aron

[guitarzan2]

I don't have any health care. What I have discovered lately is the wonders of the global market place. We in the USA get absolutely RAPED !!!! on medications. You can buy the same medications for literally 10% overseas.

For example, I have a medication for fall alergies that I get every year. Here in the USA, I get charged $65 for it. Online, I ordered 5 full vials (5 years worth) delivered to my door for $34 from Russia, billed thru a Polish credit card processing company. I got $325 worth of medicine delivered to my door in 3 weeks for $34. It wasn't generic and it had the Bristol Squib Meyers writing/logo on it. It was the exact same medicine I get in the USA but with some Russian writing on it.

http://www.pharmacy1010.com/product_page.asp?id=200

[bombtek]

Thank God I got good insurance. According to AETNA, (my insurance) my meds (betaseron) for Multiple Sclerosis cost $48,000 every three months.........I pay $100 every three months....without my insurance, I'd probably fall apart piece by piece.

[Cleveland Metal]

Yeah, Kaiser pretty tried to kill me off with what my new doctor called "cheap 70's asthma drugs" for the $450 something my boss used to pay them every month... I asked kaiser docs many times for the drugs I knew I needed, or at least were newer and available, they refused and gave excuses... Got the new stuff and my life quality improved massively.

They are scoundrels.

[phill_up]

Thank God I got good insurance. According to AETNA, (my insurance) my meds (betaseron) for Multiple Sclerosis cost $48,000 every three months.........I pay $100 every three months....without my insurance, I'd probably fall apart piece by piece.

You are lucky!

There are a lot of people that are not bums or homeless crackheads. They are everyday people that have pre-existing conditions and insurance wont insure them.

[AK47]

Evidently some of you guys with Kaiser don't know how to work their system. Perhaps you are as beligerent there as folks act here? Kaiser does get sued, all the time - like any hospital. That clause is the language of lawyers. It doesn't mean a thing, in point of fact. It just makes it more difficult to sue. It's the same thing you see when you use a piece of software or purchase any goods these days. A lot of your rhetoric comes from a time before HMOs. These days, denial of coverage is what HMOs do. That's how you pay your CEO 8 figures and the senior managers 7.

You guys make great points, but it always turns into a political mudfest. Using a managed, regulated health care system is the only workable solution. Welcome to the overcrowded 21st century. All this anger is just raising your blood pressure.

I used to think like you and Phil Up when I was younger and inexperienced. I take it it both you guys are probably young and inexperienced.

I thought Kaiser was great till you actually go through having a loved one or yourself get some weird disease or symptoms. Then you are or can be really screwed till you get lucky enough to get a really good doctor that has experience with your symptoms. Trying to get a CT scan from my primary care at Kaiser took close to a year and I changed my primary care doctor 3 times till I got one that ordered one. They found Kidney Stones and a swollen liver. Gave me a fricken flyer on diet. I am not overweight my closterol is fine do not have hepatitis and get this... I am 29 years old so WTF?

To this day all I have been prescribed is anti histamines through Kaiser. My other doctors outside of Kaiser have been providing me with my pain meds and antibiotics that I have to pay out of pocket for since they are not with Kaiser. Why is that?

To fix the issue eliminate the "pre existing condition" clause so everyone can buy insurance. Healthcare is not a right. Freedom of Speach is and those others enumarated in the bill of rights.

[phill_up]

aK47. I"m sorry I didn't make myself clear that's my fault.

This is the point I agreed with

You guys make great points, but it always turns into a political mudfest. Using a managed, regulated health care system is the only workable solution. Welcome to the overcrowded 21st century. All this anger is just raising your blood pressure.

I am not saying that the government should run everything for us but there needs to be someone to police the insurance companies as the whole "pre-existing" clause is bullshit and discriminative. If anyone wants to let the insurance companies and prescription companies run wild with no oversight then we need to fire all of the highway patrols and just let people drive as fast as they want.

I'm not saying that health care should be a right but it should be an option for someone who wants/needs it, and especially children. There are those who make it known they are AGAINST abortion and then something like this happens.--->>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...022702116.html <<<---
Someones ass should fry over that but we turn around and give the assholes at AIG billions and they go on a secluded beach trip.

guitarzan made a really good post about prescriptions having to be bought from another country or he wouldn't be able to afford it. The guy who started this thread that is taking care of his mother sees an injustice as well.

My 2 cents

[AK47]

aK47. I"m sorry I didn't make myself clear that's my fault.

This is the point I agreed with
I am not saying that the government should run everything for us but there needs to be someone to police the insurance companies as the whole "pre-existing" clause is bullshit and discriminative. If anyone wants to let the insurance companies and prescription companies run wild with no oversight then we need to fire all of the highway patrols and just let people drive as fast as they want.

I'm not saying that health care should be a right but it should be an option for someone who wants/needs it, and especially children. There are those who make it known they are AGAINST abortion and then something like this happens.--->>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...022702116.html <<<---
Someones ass should fry over that but we turn around and give the assholes at AIG billions and they go on a secluded beach trip.

guitarzan made a really good post about prescriptions having to be bought from another country or he wouldn't be able to afford it. The guy who started this thread that is taking care of his mother sees an injustice as well.

My 2 cents

The reason perscription drugs are so expensive is because insurance usually pays for them so the drug companies overcharge. I know this because my Mother is a physician at a Physical Rehab hospital as the director. When insurance companies are billed including medicare the hospital on average recovers a little over 50%, this is why hospitals and drugs have got so expensive they have to over charge in order to get paid.

If we eliminate the insurance companies "pre existing clause" we could be alot better off. The system does not need anymore managed care or beurocrats. My mother could give you an earfull regarding how managed care in her profession has ruined alot of patients lives.

The system will never be perfect but it can be made alot better. I also order drugs from the internet to save costs since it is expensive.

Remember if you order pain killers over the internet and are caught with them without a prescription you become a felon. If it gets caught in customs they just seize them and send a letter but if you have them with you and get pulled over it is a felony even if you are a passanger in the vehicle.

[bombtek]

Thank God I got good insurance. According to AETNA, (my insurance) my meds (betaseron) for Multiple Sclerosis cost $48,000 every three months.........I pay $100 every three months....without my insurance, I'd probably fall apart piece by piece.

I gave wrong info.....the 48 grand is per year....my cost is 100/3 months. Sorry for any confusion.

[åron]

I don't think I've ever heard ANYONE with a difficult to diagnose condition, for which tests are expensive and rarely prescribed speak well of their doctors, health plan or the system in general.

Getting sick and trying to understand what is going on can be a lot of work. Dealing with incompetent or simply mediocre doctors is often unworkable.

Rest assured, however that insurance can not sustain the same level of care for all subscribers at the same time. Some people must be denied tests, procedures and medicine they think they need. This denial of service must be managed in an ethical way, and not just cutting off people that pay their premiums but develop conditions that are too expensive to provide care for.

[phill_up]

When insurance companies are billed including medicare the hospital on average recovers a little over 50%,

This needs to be corrected.

If we eliminate the insurance companies "pre existing clause" we could be alot better off.

agreed.

The system does not need anymore managed care or beurocrats.

What is up with all the lobbyist, Blue Cross and blue shield, community care? Too Late, we already have that.

The system will never be perfect but it can be made alot better.

Agreed. Its broken.