Chinese Democracy

[lerxstcat]

wtf? there's no "wrong" way of singing... he had a unique voice which stood out... singing through nose, throat singers from asia, the vocal style of aborigines etc. are thousands of years old... no vocal technician is going to tell what's right and wrong

Ever notice that a lot of the times you hear that Axl threw a fit and wouldn't go onstage to do a show, it was because his voice was fucked up?

Whether you like the way he sings is subjective, but it's pretty factual that the way he sings tends to fuck up his voice, so missed shows are built into the program. The nasal singing strains his vocal chords. Smoking and drinking whiskey might be rock and roll, but they make the problem worse.

That's what he means by right and wrong; the wrong way of singing makes your voice shot out a lot sooner. Maybe he needs to just do one or two shows a week, whatever he finds is enough that he can actually do all the shows without his voice crapping out.

You are right, the album will sell rather well compared to anything that's come out in a long time because after 15 years there are still enough Axl nutswingers to mean big sales. But there are also a lot more people who are disillusioned by him taking so long and no longer care.

So overall I see the whole return of this so-called GNR as a bit anti-climactic in the end.

Who cares the most? Dr. Pepper, because they promised a free can of DP to everyone in the USA if Chinese Democracy actually came out in 2008!

[VitaminG]

Axl was one of the greatest rock singers and frontmen, the new album will sell shit loads of more than 99% of the bands that you folks post here.... that's how much people care

Axl had marginal ability, a whiny, unappealing voice, and one quality album to his name. His reputation is much greater than any of the music he has produced, mainly due to his rock star attitude and concert ending tantrums, and for that reason you probably will be proven right as far as album sales.

I remember that awards show a couple of years when the Gunners made their "triumphant" return. The host (or backstage dude, or whatever) was gushing about how incredible the performance had been, that Axl was back better than ever before. I had to wonder if we'd been watching the same performance. The band was very good (as you'd expect from the crack hired hands Rose has filled the band with) but Axl had spent the song wheezing his way around stage, was still as whiny & nasally as ever, spent more time out of key than in, and had spent more time fiddling with his in-ear monitor than actually performing. Of course, all the fanboys later pointed out that the equipment difficulties was the reason the performance blew chunks, no fault of Axl's (of course). But that didn't stop the award show dude from proclaiming the whole thing as the second coming of the lord.

[Endrik]

I'm not really sure if his singing style has made his voice fucked up... I bet it's because he doesn't do warm up's and exercises and his life style doesn't help much either.
But when he is on... the he is ON... he still has it... he fucking blew Sebastian Bach away on Baz's new album and I'm one of the biggest fans of Baz's voice.

You like his voice or not... but it has tons of power, dynamics and range... it's much better than hearing Don Dokken who sounds like an old toothless man who drinks piss for breakfast... that's not cool in rock'n'roll. And Axl is not one dimensional like Rob Halford who sounds like shit when he is singing in "normal register".

Axl's personality is "legendary" but before most of the people even knew about it he was the brains behind the best selling debut album in the history. It was a breath of fresh air, real nasty rock album with brilliant songwriting durning the time when hair bands went softer and heavy metal bands were more polished than ever and with a message suitable for kindergarden kids.

[Larz]

I don't really give two shits about Chinese Democracy. It ain't a G-n-R record, period, however badly they try and market it that way.

Appetite was one of the greatest records in rock history, front to back, loaded with great tunes. It dropped at the perfect time, Slash and Izzy laid down great guitar sounds on it that were a bit different from the rest of the stuff going on back then. The sound was a little more raw, a little less polished.

Axl = douchebag, great frontmen are usually mega type A personalities with some quirks you have to tolerate, but he just takes it over the top, usually at the expense of his his fans, the ones that keep him living large with those hideous braids/hair extensions.

He threw a tantrum at Texas Stadium on the co-headliner tour I saw with G-n-R and Metallica back in probably the 89-90 era. Bitched and sat down and pouted for awhile, think he even sang a song sitting on his ass.

Metallica only proceeded to come on after them and kick serious fucking ass making Axl very forgettable.

I wish Vince Neil had knocked him out instead of Izzy.

I think Axl's contemporary back then, Jason McMaster, was a better vocalist.

[Larz]

......it's much better than hearing Don Dokken who sounds like an old toothless man who drinks piss for breakfast... that's not cool in rock'n'roll. And Axl is not one dimensional like Rob Halford who sounds like shit when he is singing in "normal register".

Agree on Don, he sounds like his voice would shit itself if he tried to put more power into a vocal. Still, they had some decent songs for what he was capable of.

As for Halford, I disagree. I think he sounded great on the early Priest stuff, particularly the 1970s stuff, for those here that are really young and haven't listened to the early JP years lately, where he sang with less of a power vocal, the stuff from Rocka Rolla, Sad Wings of Destiny, Sin After Sin, Stained Class that you never hear much of anymore.

[Learn Guitars]

Hello all,
I've been waiting for this album to come out every november since i was like 12

http://www.gunsnroses.us/news/spip.php?article193

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....p=1&id=1925065

HEHEHEHE...Are you like 40 now?

[shreddermon]

Meh.

[lerxstcat]

Agree on Don, he sounds like his voice would shit itself if he tried to put more power into a vocal. Still, they had some decent songs for what he was capable of.

As for Halford, I disagree. I think he sounded great on the early Priest stuff, particularly the 1970s stuff, for those here that are really young and haven't listened to the early JP years lately, where he sang with less of a power vocal, the stuff from Rocka Rolla, Sad Wings of Destiny, Sin After Sin, Stained Class that you never hear much of anymore.

Personally I like Don Dokken's voice a lot better than Axl's. I do like the stuff like Tooth and Nail a lot better than the sappy whiny "Baby why'd you go" stuff, but at least he could sing his own songs mostly in key for quite a few years. That's much more than Axl EVER did, he always sucked live. Anybody can get a decent take with 100 shots at it.

Halford does have a bit of a monotone in his lower register, but it's not that bad and serves as a contrast to when he goes high and sounds like the banshee wailing.

[SEEGERMANY]

They should have quit after this album.

[Endrik]

That's much more than Axl EVER did, he always sucked live..

that's a pretty lame exaggeration

[Carbuff]

They should have quit after this album.

I agree!!!!

[OnlineStageGear]

If I-E-I happen to turn on my-E-I radio and hear the whi-E-ine of his voice, I-E-I try-E-I to change the di-E-ial as soon as I-E-I can.

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[OnlineStageGear]

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Axl = douchebag, great frontmen are usually mega type A personalities with some quirks you have to tolerate, but he just takes it over the top, usually at the expense of his his fans, the ones that keep him living large with those hideous braids/hair extensions.

Yep. A good frontman won't repeatedly leave 20,000 people so pissed off at them that they trash the place.

[lerxstcat]

that's a pretty lame exaggeration

You're right, I never even saw GNR live. But I've seen them perform live via media broadcasts many times, and I have never seen Axl perform where he was not out of key most of the time. So maybe he just chokes when he's being videotaped!

If you don't care about a singer being able to sing his songs and are more concerned with him living a rockstar lifestyle, you have every right to have that outlook. I personally think a singer should be able to pull off his studio work to at least an 80% level live. I'm realistic knowing that you can get stuff down in studio that you might be able to hit only 10% of the time.

Axl is nowhere near 80% on, and he knows it. Then he throws a grade school tantrum and leaves the stage after a few songs, so his fans go nuts and tear the place down. Then the venue won't have rock shows there for a long time.

I think that whole process sucks and it's on Axl's shoulders that the shit happens.

[MEGADETH13]

haha I didn't think there was so much hate..