Sabbath's "Born Again" album

[StukaJU87]

Like the first Iron Maiden album. Could you imagine it without that shitty sound?

Iron Maiden and Killers are my favorite Maiden albums. Maybe it is because I started listening to them during the time they were released. Guys who started listening to Maiden after Dickenson joined tend to not like those records as much.

[phill_up]

Somewhere I read that Geezer is the guilty culprit for F'ing up the mix because he wanted more bass.
While you are at it check out some of the stuff from from Geezer's band "GZR" he had some killer stuff with the singer from "Fear Factory" singing on it

[Evol]

How do you feel about the Ray Gillan "Eternal Idol" demos?

I think everything Ray sang was simply amazing, personally. Tony Martin was good too, but Ray, just something about that dude, maybe the power he had, I dunno.

[toejam]

How do you feel about the Ray Gillan "Eternal Idol" demos?

Who? Ian's last name is Gillan. Ray's last name is Gillen.

[missionguitars1]

Great album, even if the mix was a little low-fi...

[Rsmacker]

Who? Ian's last name is Gillan. Ray's last name is Gillen.

WAS Gillen. to you too. Ha!

I saw Sabbath with Ray Gillen at Birmingham Odeon and they were fucking awesome.

[Floating Seeds]

It took me a long time to accept post-ozzy sabbath but I now will acknowledge them and listen to it since Iommi is still the man. When I was a kid I hated Dio so much

I'm currently in the middle of an all night sabbath marathon too so I will be hitting that album in a few hours probably

[toejam]

WAS Gillen. to you too. Ha!

I saw Sabbath with Ray Gillen at Birmingham Odeon and they were fucking awesome.

Ha! I thought about that after I posted it, too. RIP, Ray.

And poke this LOL :ROTF:

[Cleveland Metal]

The Dio era was assuredly the fresh rebirth of Sabbath, they got seriously old and stale with ozzy. Tony was producing the albums into technological mush and taking years to do it..

The split helped both Sabbath and Ozzy. Probably helped Ozzy more, haha...

[Floating Seeds]

I like Dio now and accept him, he is really a better singer than Ozzy and the albums he did with Sabbath really were good stuff. Ozzy just got really weird after Randy died with this prince of darkness shit. He was my idol for a few years tho and I was very much a fanboy once and would fight with people who sided with Dio or Gilliam saying they were not true and posers lol that only true sabbath was with Ozzy and all that, and that anything after Sabbath Bloody Sabbath or Sabotage was not true blah blah i really dun know why I would argue about this stuff.

[MartinBarre]

I was very much a fanboy once and would fight with people who sided with Dio or Gilliam

This is starting to get all Monty Python.

[pro-fusion]

Ian Gillan has told the story about the dry ice and the midget several times, so I assume that it's true.

The longer version of it is that the whole Born Again concept and the idea of bringing Gillan into the band was manager Don Arden's idea. Arden had become estranged from Ozzy and Sharon (his daughter) after they broke away from his management deal and record label (Jet Records), so he put together the Born Again band as an attempt to created a Sabbath supergroup and show up Ozzy and Sharon. Gillan said rather chillingly that Arden was the kind of guy you didn't dare say no to.

According to Gillan, the oversize Stonehenge replica and the midget were all Arden's idea, since he wanted to create a big splash. The Stonehenge thing lasted for awhile, but apparently the midget baby didn't, once the mattresses behind the set were "accidentally" removed one evening before the midget made his fall from the top of Stonehenge.

Sadly, I missed this tour, since my hometown of Portland was one of the canceled dates on the intended second leg of the tour in 1984, which never happened because Gillan left to do the Deep Purple reunion.

I've always loved the album. I think it sounds better today than it did in 1983. The mix is pretty dreadful, but it works in that context.

Oh, and the other funny Gillan story about this is that Iommi and Butler recruited him by getting him drunk down at the pub. He woke up hungover the next morning and with his manager screaming on the phone about not being told in advance--and Gillan had no idea what he was talking about!

[Venomboy]

Great record. One of my all time favorites.

In the 80's MTV showed some live tunes from this tour.

[phill_up]

As great as black sabbath is and was... They could have sold even more albums if it wasn't for all the witch hunters claiming the devil would get you if you listened to it.

[Robert Hendrix]

As great as black sabbath is and was... They could have sold even more albums if it wasn't for all the witch hunters claiming the devil would get you if you listened to it.

I doubt that. Most of us saw the jesus freak protesters as a joke and would buy the albums anyway. In fact, if anything, I think they helped album sales. Kinda like the parental guidance stickers the PMRC helped provide us.