One of the worst fights of my life!!!!!!!!!!!!

[horns666]

No need to apologize, Bill. We're very different people, and I'm fine with that.

Very good Sir..

Of course we very different. If I wasn't me and knew a me..would I like that me. I dunno?

[clifffclaven]

Gotcha..No victim no crime..

thaks for lookin' out man..

But I guess Joe can delete it I suppose. Its basically like one of us talking about some barfight. two guys guys into it..one of them lost. Glad it wasn't me..my hand took and real beating tho.

Look at Walmart..they killed that poor guy on video..nobody went to jail. Not even for not helping...you can go to jail for that..I forgot what that's called.

Just sayin'... Putting the boot to someone can turn a simple assault into assault/intent to injure.

youre former LEO, so im sure you knew that. My g/f's family is full of LEOs. They tell some of the craziest fight stories all the time.

Edit: and i believe thats the "good samaritan" law or something.

[Ben...]

Bill, I have a lot of respect for you. I see people who are basically turning into what you described everyday. I go to an upper-middle class school where most of the students have been told they are the best their whole lives so if something sets them off or they are insulted, they go nuts. They don't understand that there is consequences to their actions. I too hate going places unless I need to. I mean hanging out with friends and stuff I like doing but there's a reason I will not go to Walmart, malls or any of those places anymore. The only place I go shopping is the music store for guitar stuff and Futureshop because it's only a block away so I walk there in the morning once in a while. You did what you had to. Who knows what could have happened if you had remained passive. In school we're taught to try and talk people out of fighting but there definitely are situations where that just wouldn't work. Once people get past a certain point there's no talking them out of things. Society in general is just stupid. All people do anymore is reward mediocrity and people who deserve to be awarded don't get it. People don't why I try in school when I can just scrape by like everyone else. They only seem to focus on looking "cool" and that everything else is secondary. The mindset for modern society seems to be "focus on now, the future isn't important". People only seem to care about the immediate future and not a year or two in advance. Evidence of this would be the housing issue in my city. People have payed more than double the normal price for houses here just so they can make some quick cash. They take out 50 year mortgages. Do they really think that it will still be just as profitable here in 5 years, let alone 50?

I've never really fit into modern society but in all honesty, I don't want to.

Edit: Don't delete this thread, it's a great discussion on how things are turning and I think it has a good point.

[horns666]

Bill, first off, that sucks. Fights suck in general. Secondly, he got what he deserved, sounds like. Third? Delete this thread, you only hit him twice, and you did NOT put the boot to him.

Gotcha..No victim no crime..

thaks for lookin' out man..

But I guess Joe can delete it I suppose. Its basically like one of us talking about some barfight. two guys guys into it..one of them lost. Glad it wasn't me..my hand took and real beating tho.

Look at Walmart..they killed that poor guy on video..nobody went to jail. Not even for not helping...you can go to jail for that..I forgot what that's called.

[horns666]

I can't stand people like that. He deserved everything you gave him and with any luck you did the guy a favor by making him think twice about being a dickhead to someone else. I'm just glad you kicked his ass instead of the other way around. I applaud you.

Thatks Matt I hope so. Let me tell you, this could have gone either way..like a coin toss. Self preservation..years and years of self preservation saved my ass. That had to be it...and luck.

[horns666]

Bill, I am glad to hear that you will be ok after this. Gotta think of your own health (and your wife's) first.

Thanks Scott ..you know what its like dealing with this minset. Sometimes there' no ryhme or reason. I just have a knack for being at the wrong place at the wrong time..even in my own bathroom.

[Larz]

..he bought the ticket..he went for the ride.

[Spivonious]

Spiv, Dude I'm not aiminhg this at you or anyone, maybe Fucktool Guyver..but I'll be damned if Im going to allow to be seconded guessed by ignorance. I had to put up with that shit when I was an active cop. I'm retired now. Now I have the choice to put up with it or not..I choose ..not!

No need to apologize, Bill. We're very different people, and I'm fine with that.

[horns666]

Bill, this thread made my day

Good for you my man!!..the world is a fucked up place and bullies with too many rights get away with all kinds of shit like this, like you say what if it happened to someone that wasn't as capable as you clearly were..as mentioned before hopefully this dick has been taught a very painful lesson.

Well done sir, my glass is raised!

Thanks man!!!

[horns666]

Also i must add that this thread is kinda scary, and Bill is a scary guy.

I have been into martial arts( Jujitsu since i was 10, later boxing and more recently been training at MMA), but i would never dare to fight Bill, maybe in a gym gloves on and with a opportunity to run away. For some reason Bill seems to be just like guys Fedor Emelianenko or Wanderlei Silva- ppl who can kick ass and are simply SCARY.

But you got to love the internet i could call him names and he would never get me, since i am on the other side of the pond. j/k

You know those guys are great. I'd like to give it a shot. Just for shits and giggles. I'm sure they kick my ass. But I'm not going to be fighting their fight..I'm going to do what I always did on the street. I have some tried a true "tricks" I'm sure is not in their rule books. I mean if it were a "real" fight..anything goes. I have 30 seconds or so to get my chance. after that I'm prolly fucked...10 years ago would've been a lil' better.

A Rick Flair thumb to the eye...hey, that works. You know a guy fought off a shark attack like that not long ago..what animal in the world wants a poke in the eye..?? Remember if you're ever attacked by a bear poke it in the eye..good and hard. If it's a brown bear, poke it in the brown eye.

I'd do it for 10K..what the worse that could happen...I tap out, I lose, I get paid..

[clifffclaven]

Bill, first off, that sucks. Fights suck in general. Secondly, he got what he deserved, sounds like. Third? Delete this thread, you only hit him twice, and you did NOT put the boot to him.

[mattsmusiccenter]

I can't stand people like that. He deserved everything you gave him and with any luck you did the guy a favor by making him think twice about being a dickhead to someone else. I'm just glad you kicked his ass instead of the other way around. I applaud you.

[horns666]

Aren't you worried that the cops will come looking for you? I'm thinking they will want to know why you got out of your car instead of going on your way since there was no accident? Surely someone saw this?

Just playing devil's advocate.

Nah...

Fuck, I could have called and had him arrested. So I did give him a major break...besides his face..

[horns666]

Hey Bill, here's someting you might love to read.

LINK

He picked the wrong guy to rob.

Yes, I heard about that guy. Fuck yeah..he kicked ass and took care of buisness the only way he knows how. He is what he is...he is NOT the bad guy. He is the good guy. Some people's perception of that get's blurred unfortunately..and that's just sad. Unless it happeneds to them, when they are the victims. Then they need guys like that marine or me to help them...while they stand there and scream like a girl "get him, kill that bastard...I feel so violated". Boy, I wonder how I know that..take a fuggin' guess.

People are pussies. Take my guy on the plane for example. 200+ people on board. They cut off a intox asshole from vermont off the booze and he becomes inraged and assaults two female flight crew members..breaking ones jaw, and pummels the other brutally with a closed fist. The co-pilot attempts to assist, but gets his ass kicked..so he rushed back to the cockpit and bolts the door..meanwhile the 360lb good ol' boy is putting his size 13s to the cockpit door. the closest emergency diversion was cleveland. We received over 100 calls on it. I was the first one on scene when the plane docked to the jetway. The door opens, berfore I can ask what's going on..the big crazy fucker screams "I'm a dangerous man" and tackles me, and the fight is on. Either I broke my neck headbutting him attempting to keep him down, or it broke during the fall. Even at this time nobody was coming to my aid. but one flight crew member was giving the passengers the play by play like a boxing match on the radio during the 1940's..I kid you not! 200+ people and not a handful to assist me or those women. Look at 911, a couple of stinkin' monkeys with box cutters took over..box cutters. Like I wouldn't take a couple slashes to my forearm wraped in a jacket or something, while busting their fuggin' heads open..the fuck I wouldn't. But just like those people on my plane those people froze in fear...letting them do whatever they fuggin' wanted. Sorry man, I can't go down like that. Flight 93, was shot down..nice romatic fiction story of passengers taking it down..not the case. I had the inside scoop on that one because that plane was in our airspace, and me and my guys worked that aiport. There was fighter jets on that fucker and an big explosion before the plane went down in that field where it would be safe to bring it down. Even Rumsfeld made a slip on that one on live TV right before he got the fuck outta there. There's was nothing left to that plane..nothing bigger than phonebook. There was a witness never to be heard or seen agian. She was on TV ALL day on 911 describing what she saw and heard, its not even on youtube. People are like a deer in the headlights when shit goes down. I know that all too well. Sure, they talk a good game..they talk talk tak..and guys like me walk walk walk, and get fucked up for it...then ridiculed, but we let it roll of our backs and do it again and again and again..it's what we know.

I wouldn't be talking about this shit here if that shit didn't happen to me on March 29, 2001. I would be at work still taking care of biz with my actions constantly being second guessed and challeged by those I protect and served. You guys wouldn't even know me. Then you wonder why cops are cynical, divorced, alcoholics that need therapy..hmmmm. After getting chewed up and spit out like a piece of gum..I would do it all over again and again and again. I was proud of what I did because I saved and helped alot of people, and had some fun doing it. I don't know their names and they don't know mine..but many never thanked me. They thanked Jesus instead and went to church..because he was there grabbing them by the belt while dangling over a bridge trying to kill themselves. I hurt my back holding some fat bitch by the belt over a bridge and Jesus gets the fuggin credit.

Pretty Ironic, no matter how much people sicken me..I'm always first in line to help them. I'm just venting man. You know I took this job with the best heartfelt intentions to help people..then I quickly discovered that hated me, they hated my uniform, my bade, everything about me. I had a few "thank yous" here and there but that's not why I did it..it was a sense of purpose, inner pride and self respect and to give others the same. But what I discovered was that people don't respect themselves, others or me. They are bitter, miserable heartless, cold blooded fuckers menatal fuckers that blame everyone but themselves for their actions, stupidity, and laziness. it's always the cop's fault because they wern't in their home at the time they got robbed. But we know that, but yet we continue. I'm not saying I didn't work with some major dickheads, but some of those turned into cynical major dickheads from being pissed on for years or decades. After a while you just get tired of the same old bullshit from human pollution who never paid taxes in their fuggin' lives and they only reason why they exist is because their whore mothers spread their legs to some fuck that just wanted to shoot his jizz and bail. So they have 5 kids from five different sperm donors by the ripe old age of 21. They don't pay my salary..I pay theirs..no, we pay theirs. The way things are going we're going to be paying alot more..so get used to it. Save your fuggin' money. You may wanna hold off on buying that gear you've been wanting, especially if you have any kids..because they come first. Once they're taken care off..then you fuggin' deserve that gear!

So what I'm saying is due to my experience and unconditonal love as a family man..never fuggin' question my actions. Because it is those judgements and actions that brought me home at night and how I got to meet my son. On March 27, 1994 at 1:00 AM I was involved in a shooting with 90 rounds exchanged. I was shot at 8-9 times, just missing me by inches. My son was born Oct 27, 1994. Inches away from NEVER meeting the man that put a Jackson in his hands, sending him to a good school, and helping him with his homework..and he can blow half this fuggin' board away with his playing. He can play shit I can't even touch. He already knows how to play every note I ever wrote and plays it just as good..he's been playing for 1.5 years. He's one of the best drummers in Cleveland..My judgements and actions allowed that to happen. So NEVER fuggin' second guess my actions. I take that shit personal..but I must keep in mind the ignorance factor here. Some of you aren't parents, and some of you would never know what it takes to risk your ass..your life..for someone who will never know your name and just go to church and thank fuggin' Jesus. I lost man good men that left their wives and children to save human garbage.

No, If it was 10 years ago..that motherfuckler would have gotten it much worse. The only difference would be he would wearing handcuffs and I would waiting for a zone car to haul his bloody ass away..not that I couldn't do that now. But why..He bought the ticket..he went for the ride. fuggums. I gave him a MAJOR break. I didn't have him arrested.

Spiv, Dude I'm not aiminhg this at you or anyone, maybe Fucktool Guyver..but I'll be damned if Im going to allow to be seconded guessed by ignorance. I had to put up with that shit when I was an active cop. I'm retired now. Now I have the choice to put up with it or not..I choose ..not!

[StukaJU87]

Bill, I am glad to hear that you will be ok after this. Gotta think of your own health (and your wife's) first.