Americans: Never talk to the police!

[JacksonVHT]

Great video explaining you, your 5th amendment rights.

The lecture is done by a lawyer and a police officer who agrees with everything the lawyer said.

This video is in no way anti-law enforcement, but it reminds you of a right that you have that can prevent you a lot of grief and misery, especially when you're innocent.

http://www.regent.edu/admin/media/schlaw/LawPreview/

Only 20 people are allowed to view it at any given time, so if it doesn't work just refresh it a few minutes later.

[Cleveland Metal]

Jeeez... That dude has had way too much coffee...

Common sense would tell you what this guy is saying... He is essentially correct.

Don't incriminate yourself needlesssly. But people are often stupid and have to tell their story and/or make their point. Then they get hemmed up. People are often stupid and just say stupid shit that gets them hemmed up as well. Stupid people should definitely watch what they are doing, haha...

Pretty funny, I wrote most of this before the cop came on and said what I have. People are stupid.

Bear in mind, the Miranda warning that the police have a duty to disclose to you prior to actual questioning says the same thing this guy is... Again, people are stupid and keep babbling upon initial contact and get themselves hemmed up. This is often a good thing when it's an actual criminal that is stupid and this makes LE's job much easier.

On the other hand, people take what this guys says too far. So, be forewarned that if you are being like this during an interview, it may likely turn into an interrogation and your chances of being detained and probably placed in custody go up exponentially.

Imagine trying to get through a simple report that you HAVE TO WRITE at every scene and some dumbo has to see his lawyer before he can tell me about some simple issue, and this happened EVERY TIME I had to interview someone for a report, my god, there'd be so many people being detained and so many lawyers getting rich for no reason it would be hilarious.

Best thing is to not be stupid and get into issues with the police, and don't hang around people that are stupid and get into issues with the police. This will help a lot for most people.

If you do get involved with something... Don't be stupid. Particularly listen to what the cop says at the end. He's at least being realistic.

[JacksonVHT]

Yup, I mainly posted this because I know a lot of people here are firearms enthusiasts such as myself and (HOPEFULLY NEVER) there may come a time to defend you or your families life.

Never, ever, say a thing to the police if that situation occurs. Always, leave it to the lawyer because this is a very fragile situation.

Imagine trying to get through a simple report that you HAVE TO WRITE at every scene and some dumbo has to see his lawyer before he can tell me about some simple issue, and this happened EVERY TIME I had to interview someone for a report, my god, there'd be so many people being detained and so many lawyers getting rich for no reason it would be hilarious.

Doesn't matter to me whether simple or complex. Bottom line is crooked cops are real and very common, and although you may be/were a good officer that doesn't change a whole other portion of police that can't be trusted.

It's just like he said, saying anything won't ever help you, so why do it?

Best thing is to not be stupid and get into issues with the police, and don't hang around people that are stupid and get into issues with the police. This will help a lot for most people.

If you do get involved with something... Don't be stupid. Particularly listen to what the cop says at the end. He's at least being realistic.

This is easier said than done, especially the situation I've listed before the quote.

"Hanging out around the wrong people," etc. doesn't always prevent you from being falsely accused of something.

[Spivonious]

Perhaps a better lesson is "never commit a crime and lie about it".

[Cleveland Metal]

Doesn't matter to me whether simple or complex. Bottom line is crooked cops are real and very common, and although you may be/were a good officer that doesn't change a whole other portion of police that can't be trusted.

It's just like he said, saying anything won't ever help you, so why do it?

Well, you're what 20? I'd probably not be too confident in giving legal advice.

Nonetheless, if I were "you", I'd probably advise "you" to stay quiet when dealing with the cops for sure, haha...

I'm not gonna waste perfectly good time even bothering to explain it to you..

[Endrik]

hey John, are you still doing the police exams and whatnot?

[Cleveland Metal]

Definitely done with the exams...

[Endrik]

Definitely done with the exams...

so how are you doing? already kicking ass out there or some procedures still to go through?

[metalchurch79]

Rule #1. Deny everything.

[joelayres]

the Miranda warning that the police have a duty to disclose to you prior to actual questioning says the same thing this guy is...

This is actually incorrect. I used to think it was this way too, but I found out that they only have to read you the Miranda warning AFTER you have been arrested, and they can actually read it to you as long after you are arrested as they wish and it will hold up. They DO NOT have to read it to you as you are being cuffed or immediately after you are cuffed like they do on TV - this is a myth. Usually, they will read your Miranda warning just prior to asking you if you wish to make a statement as part of your arrest report. The whole goal is to have you incriminate yourself as much as possible before advising you of your rights. It seems that most people think that until they read your rights that anything you say will not be held against you - this is entirely false - everything and anything you say at any time to police can and will be used against you.

If police want to question you, there are only 2 things that should be said. The first is "I'm sorry officer, but I don't have anything to say about that". If they then proceed to arrest you, the only word that should come out of your mouth is "Lawyer". Like the guy said in the video, if an officer is going to arrest you, nothing you are going to say is going to convince him otherwise so there is no way you can help your case.

I was raised to believe that all police officers were good honest people who could be trusted, and in spite of some personal experience to the contrary I still believe that there are more good cops than bad cops. However, there are indeed enough bad apples to make me very wary of them all.

[Newc]

The way I see the "crooked cops" thing, every good cop has just as much obligation to point out the bad cops as he/she does to nab the perps. I don't believe in "loyalty to the badge", because that implies that just because someone went through the police academy and are wearing a badge that they're worthy of wearing it.

I also do not believe that a badge is a magic talisman that turns an ordinary man into a hero, or sets them above reproach or temptation.

There are some people that simply should not be cops, and some of those end up either on the take or thinking/acting like they can do no wrong.

In 1988, 2 cops were witnessed breaking into my parents' electronics repair shop less than 24 hours after approaching my mother about paying protection money, which she wisely refused to do.

When I find them, they will be doused in gasoline and burned to death, as will their children, and their wives, and their houses.

I have zero tolerance for a crooked cop because that is the ultimate betrayal.

[Endrik]

I think a lazy cop is a lot worse than a cop who is a little bit crooked (not some racketeering douche but someone who may take some "gifts" here and there)

[Cleveland Metal]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Metal
"the Miranda warning that the police have a duty to disclose to you prior to actual questioning says the same thing this guy is..."



This is actually incorrect. I used to think it was this way too, but I found out that they only have to read you the Miranda warning AFTER you have been arrested, and they can actually read it to you as long after you are arrested as they wish and it will hold up.

They DO NOT have to read it to you as you are being cuffed or immediately after you are cuffed like they do on TV - this is a myth. Usually, they will read your Miranda warning just prior to asking you if you wish to make a statement as part of your arrest report. The whole goal is to have you incriminate yourself as much as possible before advising you of your rights. It seems that most people think that until they read your rights that anything you say will not be held against you - this is entirely false - everything and anything you say at any time to police can and will be used against you.

Why are you quoting me and then saying that, like "I'm" wrong?

What I just said "there", PLAINLY says "prior to actual questing"... I never said they have to read it to you in order to effect an arrest. You might wish to actually take time to "read" something and comrhend it before calling someone "incorrect"...

And, LE doesn't have to read it to you AT ALL... Unless they are interogating you. They definitey don't have to read it to you to arrest you. Period. You could sit in jail for quite some time, and if they aren't questioning you, there's no reason to read it to you really. If your issue doesn't require questioning, you may be charged and bond released, or charges dismissed without even hearing it.

If someone starts babbling their confessions to an officer, the officer would be best served to read it to them at that point tho, as if they haven't been advised, there can be issues using the confession. The confession prior to Miranda can be entered into report of course, but a good lawyer will argue it out.

I've unfortunately taken many, MANY credit hours of Laws of Arrest, Interogation, Laws of Evidince and Civil Liability. And I'll figure I have a fair grip of the laws, particularly for Ohio, and Civil Liability is pretty much federal. Actually (in general) most of that stuff are pretty much the same throughout the states..

[JacksonVHT]

Well, you're what 20? I'd probably not be too confident in giving legal advice.

Nonetheless, if I were "you", I'd probably advise "you" to stay quiet when dealing with the cops for sure, haha...

I'm not gonna waste perfectly good time even bothering to explain it to you..

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Look, you can save me your pretentious "I'm better than you, so I won't waste my time explaining anything," bullshit. It doesn't impress me.

If you really watched the video, you would have noticed multiple examples of innocent people being convicted of crimes for not taking advantage of their 5th amendment rights.

By the way, I'm about 23 and an OIF/OEF vet.

[Cleveland Metal]

Oh, 23, quite a difference, you're very mature then...

And from your posts I've read... It would be a waste to argue it with you...