Americans: Never talk to the police!

[Jayster]

If you can find something in the Constitution that prohibits police from asking for ID, though, I'm open to read iot if you'll point me to it.

It's early in the morning, I forget the exact name for this.

In many legal writings before the US constitution, what was not expressly allowed(included in the writing) was forbidden(a crime). In the constitution however, what is not expressly forbidden(included in the writing) was allowed. So no, I can not point out to you where this would be in the constitution - Score 1 for the constitution(it's about freedom).

Lerx - personally I don't see how spending 13 years(I'm 37) of listening to 'strawberry alarm clock' qualifies you to know what's best for me.(it's easy to come off like a pretentious butthead, see I can do it to.)

No where in my posts do I agree with lawyering up at the slightest question. In fact several times I've pointed out that in general people should give more respect to the police. I've also defended the US constitution(this most be you're sticking point with me.)

Yep sometimes I do pee in my backyard, between two out buildings, a privacy fence, 20 ft of muscadine vines and an orchard. In no way highly visible, but you're probably right and I'll walk my happy self inside from now on.

I'm gonna believe that the idea of your posts is to be helpfull to members who are to stupid to think for themselves.

Obviously we're going to have to agree to disagree, but remember sir ; That many great Americans died to preserve the rights that you would freely give away.

I'm no longer going to post on this thread - it's gotten out of hand in my opinion.

To all the police on board;

Thankyou for your service, you have a thankless job - and do not get the respect that you deserve.

And the constitution also deserves the utmost respect, the rights of a free people are of the greatest importance.

Cheers
I'm out of this thread

[SEEGERMANY]

Ah hell no, pissing in your backyard is one of the greatest things about home ownership! It's basic instinct to water the privacy fence or that hedge you've tried for years to kill! It's got to be written somewhere in the Constitution or for that matter, it may one of The Ten Commandments! I'm backlogged on my reading, but surely it's there!

[Jason1212]

Ah hell no, pissing in your backyard is one of the greatest things about home ownership! It's basic instinct to water the privacy fence or that hedge you've tried for years to kill! It's got to be written somewhere in the Constitution or for that matter, it may one of The Ten Commandments! I'm backlogged on my reading, but surely it's there!

+ a bazillion.

This irritates my wife to no end when I do it. But if I am working in the back yard mowing, tilling, or cutting down trees I dont want to stop and run into the house to take care of business. If I do that slows things down not to mention I usually end up tracking leaves or mud into the house. That I think she is just jealous of the eaze of operation I have in doing it.

[VinceV]

I guess I'll finally throw my 2 cents in.

I'm of the firm belief that what was posted in that video(that I have seen before) and what AK is saying is valid. As a gun owner/enthusiast here in Kalifornia, we have had to educate ourselves in the law and how to not interact with LE, as it seems most the time local police are the least informed or plain uninformed when it comes to the PC concerning firearms, and are more than happy to arrest now and let the court sort it out on your dime. This can be proved here over and over again with cases.

I work in South Central L.A. and have a few times been pulled over and questioned for being in the area. I'm Hispanic but look white, so I know they think I'm there looking for drugs or whores. Why should I be forced to interact with LE in these circumstances? I will produce my DL, insurance and registration(as required) and that's it, I will not answer nor will I consent to any searches.

This of course applies to me in this State, I am well aware that these tactics might not be the best when your on a dirt road in the backwoods of Mississippi.

[lerxstcat]

It's early in the morning, I forget the exact name for this.

In many legal writings before the US constitution, what was not expressly allowed(included in the writing) was forbidden(a crime). In the constitution however, what is not expressly forbidden(included in the writing) was allowed. So no, I can not point out to you where this would be in the constitution - Score 1 for the constitution(it's about freedom).

Lerx - personally I don't see how spending 13 years(I'm 37) of listening to 'strawberry alarm clock' qualifies you to know what's best for me.(it's easy to come off like a pretentious butthead, see I can do it to.)

No where in my posts do I agree with lawyering up at the slightest question. In fact several times I've pointed out that in general people should give more respect to the police. I've also defended the US constitution(this most be you're sticking point with me.)

Yep sometimes I do pee in my backyard, between two out buildings, a privacy fence, 20 ft of muscadine vines and an orchard. In no way highly visible, but you're probably right and I'll walk my happy self inside from now on.

I'm gonna believe that the idea of your posts is to be helpfull to members who are to stupid to think for themselves.

Obviously we're going to have to agree to disagree, but remember sir ; That many great Americans died to preserve the rights that you would freely give away.

I'm no longer going to post on this thread - it's gotten out of hand in my opinion.

To all the police on board;

Thankyou for your service, you have a thankless job - and do not get the respect that you deserve.

And the constitution also deserves the utmost respect, the rights of a free people are of the greatest importance.

Cheers
I'm out of this thread

Yeah, you do know how to be a pretentious butthead - it's the "too" part where you're wrong.

37? I would have thought 22 by the tone of your posts. Hey, you're young at heart, good for you! Still pissing in front of the local cop to show you're a rebel at 37? That's awesome!

You and I crossed in this thread when you stepped into an exchange that AK and I were having. Granted, open board, open thread, but no one's going to tell me not to answer someone posting directly to me - except the admins, because it's their board.

I respect the Constitution, but I am also practical, that's why I mentioned 50 years, and living in different parts of the country. The point is, I know what it's like in those different areas. I also know that many Californians assume that the way it is where they live is the way it is everywhere in the states.

Hypothetically, you getting your ass beat down by cops in Stankbridge because you asserted your rights in a situation where it was unwise, is not going to save our great Constitution. You showing an ID and telling the cop you don't know anything about the robbery scene you're just walking by, is not going to cause the Constitution to fall either.

And in your state, the law does require you to show ID, so refusing would itself be enough to get you arrested. so yeah, if someone followed Ak's advice without knowing their own local laws, it could get them into trouble, where showing the damn ID and saying you don't know anything, thanks officer, have a good day - could keep you out of it.

Most cops I know are actually good people - but if you decide to fuck with them, they will fuck with you in return, to the extent they legally can.

As for Strawberry Alarm Clock, I don't know WTF that was supposed to mean. If you're 37 and trying to take a shot by calling me old at 50, well that's funny seeing that you're right around the corner yourself.

Understanding what a Pyrrhic victory is doesn't mean you don't understand and respect your rights or the constitution.

[SEEGERMANY]

"Pyrrhic victory"

And who said the JCF was full of dummies!

[Ben...]

"Pyrrhic victory"

And who said the JCF was full of dummies!

Between the threads discussing turkey recipes and an analysis of the fairness of the Price is Right, I'd way we're all geniuses.

[Endrik]

"Pyrrhic victory"

hey at least it worked for USSR

[AK47]

If the founding father knew that heavily armed drug gangs ruled our inner cities and were protected by the ACLU from the police eliminating those criminal gangs that terrorize the citizens in those areas, they would spin in their graves over that too. They didn't envision our society going in that direction. They'd probably send in the army to exterminate them the way they did Indians who caused trouble. Remember the founding fathers had no problem not applying due process to Indian tribes.

This is a History Fail!

Andrew Jackson or old Hickory was the one the forced the tribes out of the the Colonies and eastern United States using the law and military. The founding fathers believed in a compliant approach to removing the natives or having them assimilate.

All races fought in the American Revolution it was not till the Korean War that blacks were allowed to fight in the front lines again. George Washington also freed his slaves on his death bed.

I dont have the energy to post about how the Bay area is not a "bubble" since we have crime capitals like East Palo Alto and Oakland. The roads are worse than Mexico in some of these areas.

[AK47]

And in your state, the law does require you to show ID, so refusing would itself be enough to get you arrested. so yeah, if someone followed Ak's advice without knowing their own local laws, it could get them into trouble, where showing the damn ID and saying you don't know anything, thanks officer, have a good day - could keep you out of it.

I will post the laws for the third time again regarding ID'ing yourself. With state by state breakdown.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_Identify_statutes

[SEEGERMANY]

This is a History Fail! All races fought in the American Revolution it was not till the Korean War that blacks were allowed to fight in the front lines again.

Ever hear of the Montford Point Marines. It was a company of black soldiers that fought on the front lines of Iwo Jima during WWII. Matter of fact, this same group fought in just about every island battle in the south Pacific.

[Hellbat]

Inspiration for this???

http://www.bebo.com/FlashBox.jsp?FlashBoxId=5947082536&

[SEEGERMANY]

I don't mean to be a hardass, but that cartoon really rubs me the wrong way. I know I'm old, but I don't see the humor and I damn sure don't like the content. Oh well, to each its own.

[lerxstcat]

This is a History Fail!

Andrew Jackson or old Hickory was the one the forced the tribes out of the the Colonies and eastern United States using the law and military. The founding fathers believed in a compliant approach to removing the natives or having them assimilate.

All races fought in the American Revolution it was not till the Korean War that blacks were allowed to fight in the front lines again. George Washington also freed his slaves on his death bed.

I dont have the energy to post about how the Bay area is not a "bubble" since we have crime capitals like East Palo Alto and Oakland. The roads are worse than Mexico in some of these areas.

Really? What happened to tribes like the ones who lived around the Plymouth and Jamestown colonies, AK? Are they still living there on their own land? What about the tribes that allied with the British against the rebels during the Revolution? You saying we didnt burn their villages?

As far as all races fighting in the Revolutionary War, I didn't realize that the Nepalese and Samoans were there. Want to point out specifically what roles they played?

[lerxstcat]

I will post the laws for the third time again regarding ID'ing yourself. With state by state breakdown.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_Identify_statutes

Right, 24 states DO have stop-and-identify laws. BUT the Northern California ACLU is also cited in the Wiki article saying that jurisdictions may not follow their state laws and require ID anyway, and that you may be arrested if you refuse, so use your own judgment. That is almost verbatim, but not exactly, so I didn't use quotes. But that's what the ACLU said in the very article you cited.

The fact remains that you gave sweepingly general advice that could get people arrested, without considering that fact.

You also made Deliverance references to North Carolinian JCFers on a thread where you were asking for someone to go drive 100 miles to pick up an amp and ship it for you. You may may want to examine your sense of discretion. I know you got someone to do it for you, but was it someone from here, or a gun parts customer?

Did you ask him if they squeal like a pig in his area?