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  • A game for everyone. Dictate the band.

    I don't know if anyone is interested in this but this is a little game to make your brain work a little bit and use your own experiences and knowledge or just randomly speak out. There's many similar "games" about different areas and tasks on the net. This is my version which I just came up with, it's a pretty common situation which happens almost every day. Not a very hard one but some mistakes can do a lot of damage in real life.

    Here it goes:

    You are an up and coming producer. The record label has just assigned you to produce a young indie/alternative rock band. The band members are pretty clever and have managed to get a little bit money from the record label for their debut album. They have a decent size local fan base and have gained a lot of popularity on myspace.

    You get to work in a small but decent studio at North Hollywood. The studio rooms have a pretty good sound. You have a decent SSL board and a top notch Pro Tools setup. You have all the necessary outboard gear (compressors, effects, auto tuners etc.). You will be recording mostly in digital and to a hard drive. You have a great variety of microphones. You don't have much backline equipment. You have great sounding vintage Gretch and Ludwig 4 piece kits and a great variety of cymbals. You have one Marshall plexi, JCM800 and a Mesa Rectifier amp. You have an Eden and Ampeg SVT rack bass amps. You have a great Steinway concert piano and a Fender Rhodes electric piano. You have plenty of MIDI keyboards and plug-ins and guitar and bass simulators.

    The band has 4 members. A singer, a guitarists, a bassists and a drummer.
    They are pretty open minded and bright young fellows. But they can get very moody and may refuse to do anything if you are a threat to their "artistic vision". And they aren't the biggest fans of excessive mainstream stuff either.
    They are pretty good songwriters but on a demo of all their available songs you heard, have only 4 songs which would make it to the album.
    The band's own equipment is far away in Portland, Oregon.

    The singer has a good voice and a tone but can get slightly out of pitch.

    The guitarist doesn't like the sound of marshalls and mesa boogie, and can't make them sound right. He is an ok rhythm player but a fan of 60's and 70's lead guitarists and wants to noodle all the time in almost every section in every song. He has great melodic lines and ideas but his soloing is very sloppy, the bends are out of tune, he doesn't have any tone in his fingers etc. Stopping him playing any leads would cause a chaos in the band, he would quit the sessions and the band would refuse to play without him. He prefers to record like it's in a live situation, no rhythm guitar behind the
    solos.

    The bassist is a very cool dude, is a good songwriter and comes up with pretty cool basslines but has an horrible technique. His timing is off very often. He can struggle to make some of the simpler parts sound ok but when it comes to the difficult parts it's impossible for him to nail them. You can't change much of the basslines either because those basslines carry the tune, a lot of the songs are actually written on the basslines in the band. But he makes a lot of mistakes, a la when the guitar plays a B note he is playing in C.

    The drummer is a dork. Your drum tech tuned both kits perfectly and when he made a soundcheck they sounded fantastic. When the drummer sat behind the kit, he sounded horrible, the worst sound ever. But his timing is not off and can play with a metronome.
    The band actually sound pretty energetic and and has a good chemistry when they play together and are reasonably balanced. They are in a 19-24 age range and have been playing together for 6 years.

    You have 2 weeks for the main part of the production. With that time you must finish all the recording and mixing and have all the necessary songs ready to go.
    You can work 12 hours in the studio per day.
    When it comes to mixing you have given most of the rights to dictate the direction and a representer of the record label comes to oversee the mixing process.

    It's already been payed for the studio time, for a decent engineer and for a studio assistant.
    You have 10 thousand dollars left.

    You can't afford to refuse to produce this band, you can't make them to play like Return To Forever or Rush because of the time limit.

    What would you do. What kind of an approach you would use. How you would record the band. How would you schedule the recording sessions. What kind of expenses you would make. How you would motivate and direct the band. How you would approach each band member. What would be your productional direction and vision. For which target audience it would be made for. What type of sounds it would have. What kind of songs it would have. What kind of dynamics the album would have. Would you use some of the money to buy some extra stuff like food, booze, coke, strippers, hookers, go to a Disneyland etc?

    .................................................. .................................................. ..
    Everyone can participate, please be as specific as possible. Everyone can question everyone's decisions or give an alternative situation which can happen based on some actions.

    PS. no need to get into details about microphone angles, eq and compression settings and other stuff like that, that's an engineer's job.

    Let's play!
    Last edited by Endrik; 03-04-2009, 01:40 PM.
    "There is nothing more fearful than imagination without taste" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

    "To be stupid, selfish and have good health are three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost" - Gustave Flaubert

  • #2
    first things first, i send out for chinese food.
    this is extensive dude, where's the record button?
    and can i punch in for solos?-lol
    Not helping the situation since 1965!

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    • #3
      Whoa - how exactly did they get hooked up with a record contract if they're that bad? I mean, its one thing to not be technically skilled but make up for it with catchy hooks...

      Anyway - I would send the band out to do shoot some promo pics and get wasted in Howdydoodyland and bring in sessions cats to rerecord all the material - then have the singer sing over that and digi-mojo his voice back in tune. Done and done.
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      Blank yo!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by atomic charvel guy View Post
        first things first, i send out for chinese food.
        good start, can't go wrong with chinese, I think that's a great move and helps the band feel better.

        this is extensive dude, where's the record button?
        it could be a lot more extensive but I held back... a lot
        you don't need to press the record button, it's the engineer's job, btw. it's on the console or on the panel in the Pro Tools or other system seen on the computer screen... the guys in the room will give you the "look" because of that question or laugh thinking it was a joke, in your case it would be the latter luckly

        and can i punch in for solos?-lol
        the guitarist would probably get really pissed off if someone else plays guitar on the record, specially a kick ass player like you, he probably loathes the idea of VH and DeMartini style slippery leads, and if you purposely don't change your playing style it would probably not fit into their music and it would piss off their fans, I have a strong feeling that a band like this wouldn't even let you touch the guitar without getting upset.... unless you show them chord position or voicing ideas, song ideas etc.
        Last edited by Endrik; 03-04-2009, 02:19 PM.
        "There is nothing more fearful than imagination without taste" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

        "To be stupid, selfish and have good health are three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost" - Gustave Flaubert

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Grandturk View Post
          Whoa - how exactly did they get hooked up with a record contract if they're that bad? I mean, its one thing to not be technically skilled but make up for it with catchy hooks...

          Anyway - I would send the band out to do shoot some promo pics and get wasted in Howdydoodyland and bring in sessions cats to rerecord all the material - then have the singer sing over that and digi-mojo his voice back in tune. Done and done.
          they are not bad at all compared to most of the current bands, they at least sound decent playing together.
          They have good songs, good live shows, a loyal fan base, they have created a hype in myspace etc. A record company likes that and doesn't give a shit how well you play your instrument.

          That kind of bands aren't usually the hard party types and Hollywood isn't their fav. place in the world.
          They would go fucking apeshit if they know that all is being played by session cats.
          Digi-mojo-ing his voice back in tune would be a reasonable solution. Although auto tuners can give it away sometimes and specially in some types of music. I personally would use some other approach considering the music style and the singer's decent singing tone.
          Last edited by Endrik; 03-04-2009, 02:20 PM.
          "There is nothing more fearful than imagination without taste" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

          "To be stupid, selfish and have good health are three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost" - Gustave Flaubert

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          • #6
            Tldr :d
            Sleep!!, That's where I'm a viking!!

            http://www.myspace.com/grindhouseadtheband

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            • #7
              first,buy an ak-47. second,fire the band because indy rock sucks.third,take over the studio and start recording long poems by yourself that make no sense. forth,when they come to arrest you go out in a blaze of glory
              how'd i do?
              stop at full speed at 100 miles per hour. the colgate invisible shield finally got em.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by hunter8 View Post
                first,buy an ak-47. second,fire the band because indy rock sucks.third,take over the studio and start recording long poems by yourself that make no sense. forth,when they come to arrest you go out in a blaze of glory
                how'd i do?
                no job in this business ever again, you did good


                btw. yes mostly everything containing the word "indie" sucks but it would be too easy to give you a band with a hot shot gunslinger, a vocal god, the grooviest rhythm section on the planet who play hard rock and all look like they are from the cover of women's magazine
                Last edited by Endrik; 03-04-2009, 02:29 PM.
                "There is nothing more fearful than imagination without taste" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

                "To be stupid, selfish and have good health are three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost" - Gustave Flaubert

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by zeegler View Post
                  Tldr :d
                  +1 - No offense bro.
                  Don't blame Congress or the President - blame yourselves. ~Newc

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Endrik View Post
                    no job in this business ever again, you did good
                    He can always do prison laundry if he survives the SBC...
                    Don't blame Congress or the President - blame yourselves. ~Newc

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                    • #11
                      Record guitar and drums in a live situation, i.e. with the whole band playing.

                      If the guitarist likes to not have rhythm guitar behind the solos and the band doesn't have a problem with it, then let them do it that way.

                      Point out any tonality mistakes the bass player makes and have him play correctly. "This is the real deal, don't sound like crap."

                      Since they're touchy about the "artistic vision" of their songs, I'd be very careful when making suggestions and wouldn't dare try to completely change something. Just little tweaks here and there. Even demonstrate it with the recording to show the band that it sounds better. If they disagreed, then let it go. I get paid either way.
                      Scott

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Strangletooth View Post
                        He can always do prison laundry if he survives the SBC...
                        probably gets ass raped by a big rapper whos album was next in line and his whole life depended on it
                        unlikely scenario but you never know
                        Last edited by Endrik; 03-04-2009, 02:46 PM.
                        "There is nothing more fearful than imagination without taste" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

                        "To be stupid, selfish and have good health are three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost" - Gustave Flaubert

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Spivonious View Post
                          Record guitar and drums in a live situation, i.e. with the whole band playing.
                          a very good idea to try, musicians play a lot better when they play together, it would help when the members don't have much individual skills, and it should be done without the headphones so they would sound somewhat balanced

                          If the guitarist likes to not have rhythm guitar behind the solos and the band doesn't have a problem with it, then let them do it that way.
                          in some places it would work, in some places maybe not, there's way's to convince the player when it comes to this matter

                          Point out any tonality mistakes the bass player makes and have him play correctly. "This is the real deal, don't sound like crap."
                          Definitely have to be a bit pushy when it comes to recording the bass but then there's still the problem with his timing in many songs, improving your timing takes a lot of time.

                          Since they're touchy about the "artistic vision" of their songs, I'd be very careful when making suggestions and wouldn't dare try to completely change something. Just little tweaks here and there. Even demonstrate it with the recording to show the band that it sounds better. If they disagreed, then let it go. I get paid either way.
                          There's always compromises but remember that your reputation depends on it, you get more and better jobs if you stand out with great ideas, it often takes bold moves and no wonder that artists usually don't want to work with a producer more than once but if you can corporate your vision with the band's and it's a success then you will get a lot of respect in the industry.
                          "There is nothing more fearful than imagination without taste" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

                          "To be stupid, selfish and have good health are three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost" - Gustave Flaubert

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                          • #14
                            1. Get the singer to shag a supermodel. Make sure everyone knows about it.

                            2. Get the whole band hooked on hard drugs and make sure everyone knows about it. (No pot smokers, far too boring, they just mong out)

                            3. Get the bass player to do a poo on the record company boss' desk. Make sure everyone knows about it.

                            4. Get the singer to punch out Leonardo Di Caprio at a film premiere. Make sure everyone knows about it.

                            5. Oh, and wander about on the red carpet with his bell end hanging out. Make sure everyone sees it.

                            6. Sack singer after getting him arrested. Tell world's press 2 little old ladies saw his dick and one had a stroke. (The other wasn't quick enough.)

                            7. Moody reunion. Push back release of LP due to "artistic differences".

                            8. Get singer to make a porno with supermodel. "Accidentally" leave it on bus. Make sure nationwide hunt is launched for missing porno. Make sure everyone sees it.

                            9. Get band to play at Glastonbury. Or not. Get them completely fucking pissed, push them on stage and hope they can't do a number before they spew up and collapse. Make sure everyone thinks they are shit and baying for blood.

                            10. Call LP "Little Maddy's Bumhole Holiday". Or "Princess Diana Felched My Dog". Or "Jade Goody Got Tango-ed, Ha Ha". Or "Japanese Democracy".

                            11. Release LP at midnight in Lapland. (It's midnight for 6 months, so no sweat). Rent-a-mob to have a big riot. Call police and tell them there are terrorists present, provoke a shooting or two.

                            12. Recall all LPs because of grossly offensive artwork (which you designed. Think Goatse-meets-Tubgirl-in-Wilksy-Baby's-school-photo. Gatefold sleeve. Eeeeeeeew).

                            13. Get singer to have drug overdose. And die. And then get brought back to life.

                            14. Get singer to become a Buddhist and get him to condemn drugs and drink.

                            14. Get rest of band to buy more drink and drugs.

                            15. Get a couple of gullible twats to shoot their classmates. Make sure they have band t-shirts on, and that the singer told them to do it in a backward message on the LP. (Which you put recorded for them, on the track called "Sdrawkcab esrA")

                            16. Declare the band to be out of control and ask reluctantly for police protection. Make sure everyone knows about it.

                            17. Get bass player to shag singer's supermodel.

                            18. Fuck off to the Seychelles with a big pile of loot and spend the rest of your life drinking cold drinks served by buxom wenches who call you Master and eagerly fulfill every single one of your most twisted fantasies. (Yeah, even that one).

                            19. Die happy, rich, with wrung-out balls, but with absolutely NO credibility, and no musical legacy. Who fucking cares?

                            20. Band? Oh yeah, fuck 'em, they are nothing but puppets anyway.
                            So I woke up,rolled over and who was lying next to me? Only Bonnie Langford!

                            I nearly broke her back

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Rsmacker View Post
                              1. Get the singer to shag a supermodel. Make sure everyone knows about it.

                              2. Get the whole band hooked on hard drugs and make sure everyone knows about it. (No pot smokers, far too boring, they just mong out)

                              3. Get the bass player to do a poo on the record company boss' desk. Make sure everyone knows about it.

                              4. Get the singer to punch out Leonardo Di Caprio at a film premiere. Make sure everyone knows about it.

                              5. Oh, and wander about on the red carpet with his bell end hanging out. Make sure everyone sees it.

                              6. Sack singer after getting him arrested. Tell world's press 2 little old ladies saw his dick and one had a stroke. (The other wasn't quick enough.)

                              7. Moody reunion. Push back release of LP due to "artistic differences".

                              8. Get singer to make a porno with supermodel. "Accidentally" leave it on bus. Make sure nationwide hunt is launched for missing porno. Make sure everyone sees it.

                              9. Get band to play at Glastonbury. Or not. Get them completely fucking pissed, push them on stage and hope they can't do a number before they spew up and collapse. Make sure everyone thinks they are shit and baying for blood.

                              10. Call LP "Little Maddy's Bumhole Holiday". Or "Princess Diana Felched My Dog". Or "Jade Goody Got Tango-ed, Ha Ha". Or "Japanese Democracy".

                              11. Release LP at midnight in Lapland. (It's midnight for 6 months, so no sweat). Rent-a-mob to have a big riot. Call police and tell them there are terrorists present, provoke a shooting or two.

                              12. Recall all LPs because of grossly offensive artwork (which you designed. Think Goatse-meets-Tubgirl-in-Wilksy-Baby's-school-photo. Gatefold sleeve. Eeeeeeeew).

                              13. Get singer to have drug overdose. And die. And then get brought back to life.

                              14. Get singer to become a Buddhist and get him to condemn drugs and drink.

                              14. Get rest of band to buy more drink and drugs.

                              15. Get a couple of gullible twats to shoot their classmates. Make sure they have band t-shirts on, and that the singer told them to do it in a backward message on the LP. (Which you put recorded for them, on the track called "Sdrawkcab esrA")

                              16. Declare the band to be out of control and ask reluctantly for police protection. Make sure everyone knows about it.

                              17. Get bass player to shag singer's supermodel.

                              18. Fuck off to the Seychelles with a big pile of loot and spend the rest of your life drinking cold drinks served by buxom wenches who call you Master and eagerly fulfill every single one of your most twisted fantasies. (Yeah, even that one).

                              19. Die happy, rich, with wrung-out balls, but with absolutely NO credibility, and no musical legacy. Who fucking cares?

                              20. Band? Oh yeah, fuck 'em, they are nothing but puppets anyway.
                              you'd never work in a record industry again but every TV station wants to hire you to create a new hot reality show
                              "There is nothing more fearful than imagination without taste" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

                              "To be stupid, selfish and have good health are three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost" - Gustave Flaubert

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