Keep buying crap made in China suckers

[horns666]

when? How long does a socialised healthcare system have to be in place before we get what's coming to us? As I said before, we've had this system in place for decades & it is working in this country. I'm not all excited about some new initiative the govt has just implemented - the system is fully tested & up-and-running.

Your warnings that we're all gonna get it for adopting this type of health system makes it seem that you're under the impression that everyone here who advocates socialised healthcare has JUST got it or wants it to replace the system we have. We're (GOR, Ben, bibz, Endrik, etc) all living with it and have for many years. It's not a new thing & it does work.

It's funny that there are two separate discussions going on in this thread that seemingly contradict each other:

• one stating that unions are now redundant because there are sufficient govt controls to ensure that the worker will now not get fucked over by the big corporations. It's the people mandated protective body that is corrupt and ruining the system.
• the other states that the corporations should be trusted to look after us, that putting healthcare in the hands of the corrupt govt would be tantamount to handing over all your civil liberties. There are no govt or consumer controls sufficient to protect us from the big bad govt.

So the govt should be relied on to protect us in the workplace but can't be entrusted with the health of its people?

You know what. My heathcare premiums are insane and my insurance isn't that great. I'm paying more and more for less and less. If this shit is working in other countries..fuggin' bring it on man!

Fuck this shit already..the cocksuckers!

[VitaminG]

You guys are going to get whats coming to you by leaving .gov fully in charge of healthcare.

when? How long does a socialised healthcare system have to be in place before we get what's coming to us? As I said before, we've had this system in place for decades & it is working in this country. I'm not all excited about some new initiative the govt has just implemented - the system is fully tested & up-and-running.

Your warnings that we're all gonna get it for adopting this type of health system makes it seem that you're under the impression that everyone here who advocates socialised healthcare has JUST got it or wants it to replace the system we have. We're (GOR, Ben, bibz, Endrik, etc) all living with it and have for many years. It's not a new thing & it does work.

It's funny that there are two separate discussions going on in this thread that seemingly contradict each other:

• one stating that unions are now redundant because there are sufficient govt controls to ensure that the worker will now not get fucked over by the big corporations. It's the people mandated protective body that is corrupt and ruining the system.
• the other states that the corporations should be trusted to look after us, that putting healthcare in the hands of the corrupt govt would be tantamount to handing over all your civil liberties. There are no govt or consumer controls sufficient to protect us from the big bad govt.

So the govt should be relied on to protect us in the workplace but can't be entrusted with the health of its people?

[horns666]

My post actually has nothing to do with China..I like Chinese food. I like Chinese girls. It's just a soliloqy for your amusement. ..whether you want it or not.

[horns666]

Yeah..ya gotta bite 'em da azz..das it!! I opt to kick 'em the balls..

I got enough REAL problems. I try to get thru the fuggin' day the best I can with what I have. Like like my parents, and granparents did..and that's it. Fuck 'em all. Play the fuggin' game, do what you gotta do.

I find it silly that people argue over politics and bullshit. Take this whole GREEN religion, save the fuggin' planet "Earth week" bullshit. The only green I give a fuck about is in my pocket. Man is so arrogant and conceded he actually believes in their man made dillusions.

To tell you the truth. I LOVE the fact that we have problems such as "Global Warming"!! Because it confirms people are still doing well and bored enough to be concerned with such things such as "Earth Week". Plant a tree..you go boyeeee.

I love animals. I appreciate them more than human pollution to quite honest. But if shit really hit the fan in a REAL catastrophiw way..it's fuck the animals..fuck you..fuck me..every man for themselves.

I hope aliens reveal themselves soon, so it will humble us to feel like the low life forms we are. We are 2 cents off from Chimp DNA! It will throw everything we believe and know out the window. Holy Wars..Civil Wars..The Crusades..deviant, malicious, greedy human behavior and nature..people are assholes.

The only tying i did was accept that, and do what comes natural to me within the limits of the law without ANY manufactured guilt whatsoever! Most people have a problem with that, and there is the problem with ..meh....humans.

I gotta give props to this admin for some things such a stem cell reserach, abortion, and gay marrigae..civil unions..whatever the fuck. We live under an archaic christiian laws and morals that are still being imposed on ALL of us. The pope and his stupid condom/AIDS commnet. Get the fuck outta here with that superstitious bullshit. If people want that in THEIR personal lives..so be it. But don't impose your masochistics needs on the rest of us. That's goes for ALL fairytale religious BS! That's what kept us from advancing as a species. We made more advancements in the last 50 years than we did in 10 millions years. Because we finally had the sense to put inherited superstions aside and do what we need to do to advance. Just imagine if we did this 500-1000-10,000 years ago. Back in the day, free thinkers were imprisoned and stifled by the church..as they are today! People like Hitler was charismatic enough to dupe alot of morons with the blessing of the pope. Hmmm ..what's changed? I'm charasmatic..I duped countless fucktards in my life and I'll dupe as many as I possibly can..because I can.

I have guns..big deal..It'll help HOPEFULLY during a home inavasion...and I'm trained to the fuggin' teeth. If shit really jumped off, and you're balls deep in a civil riot..it'll buy you some time..but you'll prolly die. All you can do is go down fighting. But much like "Global Warming"..this is a problem that exist with people who are bored with not enough real problems. People love drama. They demand it. If drama doesn't exist..They make it exist!

Now, inner city CCW laws is a must. That is a fucking fact of life. It will give the tactical advatange to protect you and yours from urban garbage who have absouletly NO value for human life whatsoever. 13 years CPD in the worst shithole in Ohio. Nobody can argue with me there. I don't argue with mechanics because I never learned to turn a screw. I don't argue with John Lawson on the proper way to pull the teets on a cow..no matter how much I've milked my mule.

Now with that said..Fuggums.

[Endrik]

I guess many of you guys respect the American political system much more than us Americans.

no it's not about that... I believe that in modern western world the people wont allow their country turn into a nazi state... politicians are assholes everywhere you just have to bite them in the ass real hard... I mean there's some rather peaceful countries where people openly protest or use other measures against every stupidity which the politicians make... and such things are done pretty often so it's gonna cost a lot for the politicians... that's why they are scared of the people... they know if they step over the line there's a chance of chaos. People can gather together, use every media channel, stop serving the infrastructure etc. There's been rather silly riots too but the power of the people works. You wonder why EU politicians are such a pansies with all their PC crap. It's because they are afraid to piss off the people, they can't use any drastic measures... they want to keep the peace at all costs. No one wants another 1939.

[AK47]

WHAT??? Sorry Anne Frank but the Nazi regime is no longer around so you don't need to hide.

You have not heard about veterans losing their right to bear arms because of PTSD. In California they are already cross refrencing gun registration with mental health records. Leaving it up to regulatory agencies to decide who can have what rights. This is very dangerous.

Second Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.

Read all about it here:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs

What does this ultimatley leads to Eugenics.

Remember the Nazi were Socialists.

[horns666]

Wha..I didn't click and post on this on this thread..

WTF..:think:

Oh well..fuggums..

[Jayster]

I can see one advantage to the NAU: Cheaper guitars for us Canadians.

Touche!

[Ben...]

I can see one advantage to the NAU: Cheaper guitars for us Canadians.

[Jayster]

WHAT??? Sorry Anne Frank but the Nazi regime is no longer around so you don't need to hide.

Anne Frank who's that?

It's this type of thinking that always leads to biggest coups of all!
Hey Benster you're going to be in the NAU with us so mazol tov my friend


All joking aside .....
I guess many of you guys respect the American political system much more than us Americans.

For example ~ let's say we have a special department of the gubberment to make lunch bags better for the school kiddies. Sounds like a good idea, rights? However what would most likely happen is national mal-nourishment because to produce the only official gubberment licensed lunch bag machined to exacting specifications with a 1/4 micron tolerance would cost so much to produce(also the applicable taxes and additional add ons for the newly created oversight board(furthermore that tolerance would be out the window)). So now you're kids can of .78$ beenie weenies can only be transported in an official gubberment lunch sack 100$ each(no re-use, as that would be un-patriotic).

Damnit man

[Ben...]

You guys are going to get whats coming to you by leaving .gov fully in charge of healthcare.

GOR brings up another failed system of Social Security...two posts above...

Well I am tired of all this class envy and .gov should take care of me nonsence.

It comes down to who do you trust more the Corporations or .gov?

I chose the corporations because they cant throw me in jail or decide what civil liberties to take away from me based on my medical history.

.gov can and will fuck you when they deny you healthcare treatment based on your age and history regardless of if you have money or not, so you have no one else to cry to but yourselves.

WHAT??? Sorry Anne Frank but the Nazi regime is no longer around so you don't need to hide.

[Endrik]

You guys are going to get whats coming to you by leaving .gov fully in charge of healthcare.

GOR brings up another failed system of Social Security...two posts above...

Well I am tired of all this class envy and .gov should take care of me nonsence.

It comes down to who do you trust more the Corporations or .gov?

I chose the corporations because they cant throw me in jail or decide what civil liberties to take away from me based on my medical history.

.gov can and will fuck you when they deny you healthcare treatment based on your age and history regardless of if you have money or not, so you have no one else to cry to but yourselves.

if you have such a low opinion of your country and believe that it will become a nazi like police state then I feel sorry for you

Living in a free continent I don't even think about such nonsense.

[GodOfRhythm]

You guys are going to get whats coming to you by leaving .gov fully in charge of healthcare.

GOR brings up another failed system of Social Security...two posts above...

Well I am tired of all this class envy and .gov should take care of me nonsence.

It comes down to who do you trust more the Corporations or .gov?

I chose the corporations because they cant throw me in jail or decide what civil liberties to take away from me based on my medical history.

.gov can and will fuck you when they deny you healthcare treatment based on your age and history regardless of if you have money or not, so you have no one else to cry to but yourselves.

Where does this innate notion come from? The notion that any government just wants to fuck their people over. That to me sounds like it has nothing to do with social security, but with a faulty government and mistrust, which is an ever more fundamental problem. Coïncidentally, you can't say you're not going to brush your teeth any longer, since you chipped one when you were younger. Well you can, but look where that leads! Using a fucked up government as an excuse to not see merit in a government ran healthcare system is, by all means, having your priorities mixed up badly. You need to think over these matters in a more nuanced manner anyway. No one here is saying this or that in absolutes. Social security systems are complicated and balanced to the good of the system and ultimately the people. A careful balance between everyone's rights and balancing of power between governments, autonomous semi-public bodies and private healthcare institutions needs to be sought. Like I said, we did pretty goddamn well in Belgium and it's great to know I'll be taken care of when, god forbid, a serious illness strikes.

[AK47]

You guys are going to get whats coming to you by leaving .gov fully in charge of healthcare.

GOR brings up another failed system of Social Security...two posts above...

Well I am tired of all this class envy and .gov should take care of me nonsence.

It comes down to who do you trust more the Corporations or .gov?

I chose the corporations because they cant throw me in jail or decide what civil liberties to take away from me based on my medical history.

.gov can and will fuck you when they deny you healthcare treatment based on your age and history regardless of if you have money or not, so you have no one else to cry to but yourselves.

[bibz]

Basically, american health corporations have gotten 'the people' on their side. And they squeeze them for every penny, whilst being fully supported over the government. Granted the american government is waay fucked up, but slightly less capatilism is NEVER a bad thing. Horns is right, this is a capatilist environment globally, and it cannot sustain forever. Money = quality of life apparently. The answers? MORE ZIMMERS HOLE!! We rule the fucking laaaaaaaaaand!

Hail yesterday!