Keep buying crap made in China suckers

[horns666]

Yeah..ya gotta bite 'em da azz..das it!! I opt to kick 'em the balls..

I got enough REAL problems. I try to get thru the fuggin' day the best I can with what I have. Like like my parents, and granparents did..and that's it. Fuck 'em all. Play the fuggin' game, do what you gotta do.

I find it silly that people argue over politics and bullshit. Take this whole GREEN religion, save the fuggin' planet "Earth week" bullshit. The only green I give a fuck about is in my pocket. Man is so arrogant and conceded he actually believes in their man made dillusions.

To tell you the truth. I LOVE the fact that we have problems such as "Global Warming"!! Because it confirms people are still doing well and bored enough to be concerned with such things such as "Earth Week". Plant a tree..you go boyeeee.

I love animals. I appreciate them more than human pollution to quite honest. But if shit really hit the fan in a REAL catastrophiw way..it's fuck the animals..fuck you..fuck me..every man for themselves.

I hope aliens reveal themselves soon, so it will humble us to feel like the low life forms we are. We are 2 cents off from Chimp DNA! It will throw everything we believe and know out the window. Holy Wars..Civil Wars..The Crusades..deviant, malicious, greedy human behavior and nature..people are assholes.

The only tying i did was accept that, and do what comes natural to me within the limits of the law without ANY manufactured guilt whatsoever! Most people have a problem with that, and there is the problem with ..meh....humans.

I gotta give props to this admin for some things such a stem cell reserach, abortion, and gay marrigae..civil unions..whatever the fuck. We live under an archaic christiian laws and morals that are still being imposed on ALL of us. The pope and his stupid condom/AIDS commnet. Get the fuck outta here with that superstitious bullshit. If people want that in THEIR personal lives..so be it. But don't impose your masochistics needs on the rest of us. That's goes for ALL fairytale religious BS! That's what kept us from advancing as a species. We made more advancements in the last 50 years than we did in 10 millions years. Because we finally had the sense to put inherited superstions aside and do what we need to do to advance. Just imagine if we did this 500-1000-10,000 years ago. Back in the day, free thinkers were imprisoned and stifled by the church..as they are today! People like Hitler was charismatic enough to dupe alot of morons with the blessing of the pope. Hmmm ..what's changed? I'm charasmatic..I duped countless fucktards in my life and I'll dupe as many as I possibly can..because I can.

I have guns..big deal..It'll help HOPEFULLY during a home inavasion...and I'm trained to the fuggin' teeth. If shit really jumped off, and you're balls deep in a civil riot..it'll buy you some time..but you'll prolly die. All you can do is go down fighting. But much like "Global Warming"..this is a problem that exist with people who are bored with not enough real problems. People love drama. They demand it. If drama doesn't exist..They make it exist!

Now, inner city CCW laws is a must. That is a fucking fact of life. It will give the tactical advatange to protect you and yours from urban garbage who have absouletly NO value for human life whatsoever. 13 years CPD in the worst shithole in Ohio. Nobody can argue with me there. I don't argue with mechanics because I never learned to turn a screw. I don't argue with John Lawson on the proper way to pull the teets on a cow..no matter how much I've milked my mule.

Now with that said..Fuggums.

[horns666]

My post actually has nothing to do with China..I like Chinese food. I like Chinese girls. It's just a soliloqy for your amusement. ..whether you want it or not.

[VitaminG]

You guys are going to get whats coming to you by leaving .gov fully in charge of healthcare.

when? How long does a socialised healthcare system have to be in place before we get what's coming to us? As I said before, we've had this system in place for decades & it is working in this country. I'm not all excited about some new initiative the govt has just implemented - the system is fully tested & up-and-running.

Your warnings that we're all gonna get it for adopting this type of health system makes it seem that you're under the impression that everyone here who advocates socialised healthcare has JUST got it or wants it to replace the system we have. We're (GOR, Ben, bibz, Endrik, etc) all living with it and have for many years. It's not a new thing & it does work.

It's funny that there are two separate discussions going on in this thread that seemingly contradict each other:

• one stating that unions are now redundant because there are sufficient govt controls to ensure that the worker will now not get fucked over by the big corporations. It's the people mandated protective body that is corrupt and ruining the system.
• the other states that the corporations should be trusted to look after us, that putting healthcare in the hands of the corrupt govt would be tantamount to handing over all your civil liberties. There are no govt or consumer controls sufficient to protect us from the big bad govt.

So the govt should be relied on to protect us in the workplace but can't be entrusted with the health of its people?

[horns666]

when? How long does a socialised healthcare system have to be in place before we get what's coming to us? As I said before, we've had this system in place for decades & it is working in this country. I'm not all excited about some new initiative the govt has just implemented - the system is fully tested & up-and-running.

Your warnings that we're all gonna get it for adopting this type of health system makes it seem that you're under the impression that everyone here who advocates socialised healthcare has JUST got it or wants it to replace the system we have. We're (GOR, Ben, bibz, Endrik, etc) all living with it and have for many years. It's not a new thing & it does work.

It's funny that there are two separate discussions going on in this thread that seemingly contradict each other:

• one stating that unions are now redundant because there are sufficient govt controls to ensure that the worker will now not get fucked over by the big corporations. It's the people mandated protective body that is corrupt and ruining the system.
• the other states that the corporations should be trusted to look after us, that putting healthcare in the hands of the corrupt govt would be tantamount to handing over all your civil liberties. There are no govt or consumer controls sufficient to protect us from the big bad govt.

So the govt should be relied on to protect us in the workplace but can't be entrusted with the health of its people?

You know what. My heathcare premiums are insane and my insurance isn't that great. I'm paying more and more for less and less. If this shit is working in other countries..fuggin' bring it on man!

Fuck this shit already..the cocksuckers!

[442w30]

when? How long does a socialised healthcare system have to be in place before we get what's coming to us? As I said before, we've had this system in place for decades & it is working in this country. I'm not all excited about some new initiative the govt has just implemented - the system is fully tested & up-and-running.

Your warnings that we're all gonna get it for adopting this type of health system makes it seem that you're under the impression that everyone here who advocates socialised healthcare has JUST got it or wants it to replace the system we have. We're (GOR, Ben, bibz, Endrik, etc) all living with it and have for many years. It's not a new thing & it does work.

It's funny that there are two separate discussions going on in this thread that seemingly contradict each other:

• one stating that unions are now redundant because there are sufficient govt controls to ensure that the worker will now not get fucked over by the big corporations. It's the people mandated protective body that is corrupt and ruining the system.
• the other states that the corporations should be trusted to look after us, that putting healthcare in the hands of the corrupt govt would be tantamount to handing over all your civil liberties. There are no govt or consumer controls sufficient to protect us from the big bad govt.

So the govt should be relied on to protect us in the workplace but can't be entrusted with the health of its people?

Government is just a very inefficient business with no incentive to be competitive (sanctioned monopoly). Large corporations are an oligopoly controlling an industry.
There is really very little difference in the two, and the larger a corp/smaller the competition, the more similar they become.

I agree that healthcare might as well be an uncontrolled tax as it is now, there is no effective cap on what we can be charged, where the premiums are going and who gets what type of care as it is. No one in the US can be refused basic care today.

If you have no insurance, you may not get liposuction and a 500 pack of zanax on the house, but if you break your leg or have a fever, the ER will see you and get you back on the road.

[Joe_Steeler]

Been telling you guys, it doesn't matter.

According to Nostradamus all this shit will not matter after 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[marcus]

You have not heard about veterans losing their right to bear arms because of PTSD. In California they are already cross refrencing gun registration with mental health records. Leaving it up to regulatory agencies to decide who can have what rights. This is very dangerous.

Letting the mentally ill arm themselves strikes me as dangerous.

Second Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.”

This is a true, but fairly obvious statement.

Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.

Where do you get this? Seniors already have socialized health care. They will be affected the least by the proposed health care reforms.

What does this ultimatley leads to Eugenics.

Remember the Nazi were Socialists.

[Ben...]

I agree.

[ABSOLUT CHARVEL]

Unions have there place. The fact is not all companys would treat their employees fairly if in fact they where not unionized. There are ups and downs with dealing with the union though, but just like any place it comes down to the people you employ. I deal with Teamsters that do take pride in their job, where others are the lazy POS you hear about.

The bitch is getting rid of the POS. Attendance is the death to most POS Teamsters.
And that is even getting harder to do because of FMLA (Family Medical Leave Act) and the FCA (Family Care Act). The abuse of these programs are insane. The FCA was introduced into law because to the increase of single mothers that have to stay home to take care of their kid if it gets sick. The way the law was put in place anyone can take a day off to take care of their kid and not be accounted for their attendance. Want a day off? Kid is sick, not coming in.... Today i had this guy call at 6:15 (Shift starts at 6:30) and said he will not make it in and using his FMLA. He said his wifes is at the hospital because her sister is going in labor, so he has to stay with the his kid!

i deal with union contracts and members every day at work because im in management. Like i said, some good, some bad in having unions.

Disclaimer: i was a Local 174 Teamster for 16 years. Management now for 10 years. I am aware of both sides of the coin.

[AK47]

Letting the mentally ill arm themselves strikes me as dangerous.

This is a true, but fairly obvious statement.

Where do you get this? Seniors already have socialized health care. They will be affected the least by the proposed health care reforms.

Its the power of regulation that is left up to who? That is where the problem lies.

If you dont agree with Obama you can be deemed mentaly ill or another Bush gets into office and you dont agree with him, then bam you are deemed mentally ill.

We gave a certain branch of the government regulatory powers to interpert laws they enforce, The BATFE and how did that turn out? Ruby ridge and Waco are examples.

Nazi were Socialists I dont understand why people freak out when this is pointed out.

They usually rebut with "but they were Facists" but then you can be right or left of center and be deemed as such.

I really am sad to see that most of you think the .gov will somehow regulate itself.

[442w30]

Unions have there place. The fact is not all companys would treat their employees fairly if in fact they where not unionized. There are ups and downs with dealing with the union though, but just like any place it comes down to the people you employ. I deal with Teamsters that do take pride in their job, where others are the lazy POS you hear about.

The bitch is getting rid of the POS. Attendance is the death to most POS Teamsters.
And that is even getting harder to do because of FMLA (Family Medical Leave Act) and the FCA (Family Care Act). The abuse of these programs are insane. The FCA was introduced into law because to the increase of single mothers that have to stay home to take care of their kid if it gets sick. The way the law was put in place anyone can take a day off to take care of their kid and not be accounted for their attendance. Want a day off? Kid is sick, not coming in.... Today i had this guy call at 6:15 (Shift starts at 6:30) and said he will not make it in and using his FMLA. He said his wifes is at the hospital because her sister is going in labor, so he has to stay with the his kid!

i deal with union contracts and members every day at work because im in management. Like i said, some good, some bad in having unions.

Disclaimer: i was a Local 174 Teamster for 16 years. Management now for 10 years. I am aware of both sides of the coin.

I agree, I think?!?

I am in a 100% anti-union tech job, and management is beyond a joke. Actually, the whole idea of a career is a joke. It's an "every man for himself" "take what you can get" mentality.
Publically traded, non-union companies are as cowboy as it gets. The state mandated labor regs are long term and every decision is "by the quarter". It's absolutely crazy to think long term, but quite nice if you can job surf and ride the sweet waves created in this environment.

I feel it may be totally different than what you are experiencing, FMLA means no pay for us folks from what I understand and I haven't taken over 10 days vacation/leave a year since 1996 even though I am supposedly entitled to 4 week vacation, 2 weeks sick per year.

[Ben...]

I really am sad to see that most of you think the .gov will somehow regulate itself.

I say a corporation would be much worse. They focus on money even more so than the government. I think the issue here is that you are thinking of this issue in relation to your government while we are in relation to ours which are different so we are almost arguing separate issues. Ours are more based on a European/British style (Both Canada and Australia being British Commonwealth Nations) while yours is your own. That's part of why you guys separated from England, isn't it? You wanted your own country ran your way. It's impossible to judge this argument without seeing from the other side.

Fun Fact: When translated to English the name that Nazi comes from translates to National Socialist German Workers Party. I've known that for quite a while being that I've always found history fascinating.

[nsubulysses]

jesus christ I envy Europeans HUGELY

America is kind of primitive....

Well I guess not just Europeans but people from Canada, Australia, etc, etc.

[marcus]

Its the power of regulation that is left up to who? That is where the problem lies.

Right now in health care the power of regulation is largely left up to corporations. These corporations have a conflict of interest where my health is concerned - they make less profits if they actually provide the services that I am paying for. We are currently seeing how this is playing out - the insurance companies deny claims, cancel policies based upon pre-existing conditions, and sometimes just stall to get you to pay. They are responsible for many people with health insurance dying due to not receiving doctor recommended care in time. I agree with you, the problem is who the regulation is left up to. It should not be left up to corporations, they have already shown themselves to be unworthy of our trust.

If you dont agree with Obama you can be deemed mentaly ill or another Bush gets into office and you dont agree with him, then bam you are deemed mentally ill.

I am unaware of any legislation that gives politicians the power to diagnose people as mentally ill.

We gave a certain branch of the government regulatory powers to interpert laws they enforce, The BATFE and how did that turn out? Ruby ridge and Waco are examples.

I am unsure of what you are getting at here. Are you saying that the government shouldn't have regulatory powers, or that it shouldn't enforce them? Both of these possibilities seem like bad ideas to me.

Nazi were Socialists I dont understand why people freak out when this is pointed out.

They usually rebut with "but they were Facists" but then you can be right or left of center and be deemed as such.

The political ideology of the Nazis is a very complicated subject. Yes, the Nazi party had "socialist" in the name. This hardly means that seniors will start being marched to death camps because we are instituting socialized healthcare. Alarmism like this doesn't do your argument any good.

I really am sad to see that most of you think the .gov will somehow regulate itself.

This is a democracy, government is regulated by the people. Its sad that you don't realize this. Don't get me wrong, there are many problems with our system of government, its undying featly to corporations is certainly one of the worst.

[AK47]

Right now in health care the power of regulation is largely left up to corporations. These corporations have a conflict of interest where my health is concerned - they make less profits if they actually provide the services that I am paying for. We are currently seeing how this is playing out - the insurance companies deny claims, cancel policies based upon pre-existing conditions, and sometimes just stall to get you to pay. They are responsible for many people with health insurance dying due to not receiving doctor recommended care in time. I agree with you, the problem is who the regulation is left up to. It should not be left up to corporations, they have already shown themselves to be unworthy of our trust.

I am unaware of any legislation that gives politicians the power to diagnose people as mentally ill.

I am unsure of what you are getting at here. Are you saying that the government shouldn't have regulatory powers, or that it shouldn't enforce them? Both of these possibilities seem like bad ideas to me.

The political ideology of the Nazis is a very complicated subject. Yes, the Nazi party had "socialist" in the name. This hardly means that seniors will start being marched to death camps because we are instituting socialized healthcare. Alarmism like this doesn't do your argument any good.

This is a democracy, government is regulated by the people. Its sad that you don't realize this. Don't get me wrong, there are many problems with our system of government, its undying featly to corporations is certainly one of the worst.

What I mean by the BATFE and regulatory power as in they interpert the laws they enforce which is a very dangerous thing. They collect evidence conduct there own investigation for which there is no federal guideline for then present them in court as undisputed fact.

Do you realize by having a socialized system you are left up to .gov maintaning control of your medical records and they decide what doctors you see. Lets say DHS thinks you are a "Right wing extremist" and you get on the list. You then go to the doctor to get treated for skin rash. They see you are on a "list" refer you to a psychologist. Then give you a diaganosis of DOP or delusions of Parasitosis and mentally incompetant. This was a common practice by other socialist or communist countries in the past.

Nothing complicated about Nazi ideology. They were Socialist that beleived in Eugenics. Where do you think Volkswagen came from? What does the name mean? They pushed issues like gun registration, universal healthcare and the people's car. They were by no means consevative or right wing even though the popular belief today in America is they were. They were a bunch of angry workers mad at the greedy corporations oh sorry I mean jews and wanted all the things you guys in this thread want.