So... uh, are we all going to die from Swine Flu?

[Grandturk]

Discuss...

[dg]

No, but this has the potential to be really nasty. The key thing about this type of flu is that it has the biggest impact on healthy young adults with strong immune systems, rather than children & the elderly. It becomes fatal when the immune response gets out of control in the lungs (called a cytokine storm) and causes pneumonia. That's what happened in the 1918 outbreak. If you get sick, make sure you go to the doctor. Don't try to tough it out. Even if you're uninsured, suck it up and see a doctor. So far, Tamiflu & Relenza are both effective, and most of the fatalities have been blamed on using the wrong treatment on the early cases.

The other thing I'll bring up, just because of how I've seen this subject play out on other boards... some people are going to use this as a border control/fence issue. That's fine, but they'd better start lobbying for higher fences to keep the planes out, because it most likely got here first via returning U.S. tourists & business travellers coming through Mexico City.

[Jayster]

Here's a google map showing the infections that are documented

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&t=p&msa=0&msid=106484775090296685271.0004681a37b713f6b5950&ll=22.22809,-111.357422&spn=35.796953,63.896484&z=4

[GodOfRhythm]

Conspiracy theorist, but some shocking information nontheless. http://turnerradionetwork.blogspot.com/

[wilkinsi]

<Oink> What conspiracy?

[atdguitars]

Conspiracy theorist, but some shocking information nontheless. http://turnerradionetwork.blogspot.com/

Yep. tin foil hats should be donned immediately. I think its a plot to take all of our US guitars after our demise. Run and bury your US made guitars in the back yard before the google satellite catches you.:idea:

[Newc]

http://www.fema.gov/media/fact_sheets/nle09.shtm

National Level Exercise 2009 (NLE 09)

National Level Exercise 2009 (NLE 09) is scheduled for July 27 through July 31, 2009. NLE 09 will be the first major exercise conducted by the United States government that will focus exclusively on terrorism prevention and protection, as opposed to incident response and recovery.
NLE 09 is designated as a Tier I National Level Exercise. Tier I exercises (formerly known as the Top Officials exercise series or TOPOFF) are conducted annually in accordance with the National Exercise Program (NEP), which serves as the nation's overarching exercise program for planning, organizing, conducting and evaluating national level exercises. The NEP was established to provide the U.S. government, at all levels, exercise opportunities to prepare for catastrophic crises ranging from terrorism to natural disasters.
NLE 09 is a White House directed, Congressionally- mandated exercise that includes the participation of all appropriate federal department and agency senior officials, their deputies, staff and key operational elements. In addition, broad regional participation of state, tribal, local, and private sector is anticipated. This year the United States welcomes the participation of Australia, Canada, Mexico and the United Kingdom in NLE 09.
EXERCISE FOCUS
NLE 09 will focus on intelligence and information sharing among intelligence and law enforcement communities, and between international, federal, regional, state, tribal, local and private sector participants.
The NLE 09 scenario will begin in the aftermath of a notional terrorist event outside of the United States, and exercise play will center on preventing subsequent efforts by the terrorists to enter the United States and carry out additional attacks. This scenario enables participating senior officials to focus on issues related to preventing terrorist events domestically and protecting U.S. critical infrastructure.
NLE 09 will allow terrorism prevention efforts to proceed to a logical end (successful or not), with no requirement for response or recovery activities.
NLE 09 will be an operations-based exercise to include: activities taking place at command posts, emergency operation centers, intelligence centers and potential field locations to include federal headquarters facilities in the Washington D.C. area, and in federal, regional, state, tribal, local and private sector facilities in FEMA Region VI, which includes the states of Arkansas, Louisiana, New Mexico, Oklahoma and Texas.
EXERCISE OBJECTIVES
Through a comprehensive evaluation process, the exercise will assess prevention and protection capabilities both nationally and regionally. Although NLE 09 is still in the planning stages, the exercise is currently designed to validate the following capabilities:

• Intelligence/Information Sharing and Dissemination
• Counter-Terrorism Investigation and Law Enforcement
• Air, Border and Maritime Security
• Critical Infrastructure Protection
• Public and Private Sector Alert/Notification and Security Advisories
• International Coordination

VALIDATING THE HOMELAND SECURITY SYSTEM
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The swine flu "outbreak" is a precursor to this "exercise", and was cooked up in lab and deliberately released.

http://www.infowars.com/medical-director-swine-flu-was-cultured-in-a-laboratory/

As we reported yesterday, last time there was a significant outbreak of a new form of swine flu in the U.S. it originated at the army base at Fort Dix, New Jersey.

Genocide for fun and profit.

[petedz]

Horse poop.

[Rsmacker]

Oh no, does this mean I'm at risk from the pigs I've fucked over the years? (And believe me, there have been some reeeeeeal oinkers)

BTW Wilksy-baby, I've got something for you to wear, I made it myself (it took me all weekend). It's an old yoghurt pot, painted pink with a couple of holes punched in the bottom. There's a nice thick elastic strap to keep it on your head, you could wear it for hours. Now squeeeeeal.

[wilkinsi]

This threat reminds me of an old film, where people were paid to take experimental pills and they turned into pigs..

Rsrimmer, all that hard work of yours is in vain, because the only place that yoghurt pot is going is down your throat.

[Spivonious]

So far it's all people in Mexico and people who travelled to Mexico, so I'm not too worried. On NPR this morning they had a guy from the CDC and he said it's just like the human flu, a.k.a. see a doctor if it's bad.

I had "walking" pneumonia earlier this year, and let me tell you that it's no picnic. I would go into coughing fits just from walking up some stairs. It's viral too, so there's really nothing you can do except take things to suppress the symptoms.

[Jason1212]

I told my wife as a joke the other day that they are doing this to seal the border and justify the fence between the US and Mexico. Really though they are saying most of the cases are the result of students visiting Mexico during spring break.

[Vass]

Well, I BS'd a doctor into prescribing me some Tamiflu a couple years back. It's still within it's shelf life, so me and the wife will have half a dose each if this turns into a Captain Trips type situation.

A wake up call for everyone: When you need something, you aren't going to be able to get it. If you don't have anti virals or serious antibiotics for you and your family, you're making a big mistake- Unless you want some idiot government worker deciding whether or not you should get the medication you need if something gets really ugly.

Funny, my wife thought I was insane for having that stuff all stored. First thing she said when this story came out was, "Don't we have.....?"

Yep, we do. No guarantees, but we basically have the only thing that may help if things go bad.

Originally I got it because I was afraid of smallpox.

Sorry, my tin hat needs to be re-shaped, bbiab.


Vass

[Shawn Lutz]

my son's home from school with a 101 fever and swine flu is the first thing I thought of

[horns666]

I told my wife as a joke the other day that they are doing this to seal the border and justify the fence between the US and Mexico. Really though they are saying most of the cases are the result of students visiting Mexico during spring break.

That may not be a joke..

Humans have done much more evil shit than that!