Any "Young Earthers" here. as in the earth is 6000 years old?

[marcus]

Gor,

What's the main difference between Euthanasia and assisted suicide?
Answer: Who is making the decision - this is truly a f'd up post on your part, commie.

Fuck it from here on out, no more political insights from me, only the obligatory occasional wise ass remarks!!!

Cheers

Wheres the love and respect here?

Jay, what on earth are you getting on about? How is it a "political insight" to oppose a bill for containing provisions that it doesn't contain? That seems more like willful ignorance OR pure partisan agenda pushing. And if you don't think HMOs would be marching people off to gas chambers if they could make dime off of it, you're deluding yourself. Go ahead and call me a commie if you want, but that is another partisan political tactic designed to avoid the issue. I get it, you are against socialized medicine, but why? If it's for the reasons you are stating here, than you have been sold a load of crap by your political overlords. I mean that with all due respect and love, by the way

I thought this thread was about new earth Christianity, why are we talking about this? :think:

[Big D]

Gor,

What's the main difference between Euthanasia and assisted suicide?
Answer: Who is making the decision - this is truly a f'd up post on your part, commie.

Fuck it from here on out, no more political insights from me, only the obligatory occasional wise ass remarks!!!

Cheers

Wow, so much for the "Christian love". Name calling and judging others now? Jesus would not be proud.

[Jayster]

That is NOT the answer. Decision making is VERY, VERY strictly regulated under euthanasia. It is always the patiënt who decides. Please inform yourself of matters before belittling them or calling someone a communist.

The ONLY difference is in its application.

Assisted suicide: the doctor prepares everything, puts the needle in the IV and the patiënt presses down on the syringe (which in most cases eligible for euthanasia/assisted suicide is an inhuman effort to begin with) and simply impossible in cases of prolonged comatose state.

Euthanasia is the doctor ultimately pushing down on the syringe.

http://www.euthanasia.com/definitions.html :think:

Perhaps something is lost in the translation?

[Rupe]

Regardless of what one's beliefs are, anyone who has formed their beliefs based on "what makes sense" or "what they were told" isn't qualified to even enter a discussion on beliefs. If you haven't done extensive research YOURSELF, whether it be biblical, scientific, or a combination of the two, then you are shortchanging yourself and your opinions are meaningless. I've read so much misinformation in this thread about both science and the bible...amazing and pathetic at the same time.

I don't care to discuss these things in a public forum, but I'm happy to talk about them offline.

[T@rgetDrone]

I use to think Atheists were as dedicated to their beliefs as religious zealots were to theirs. Don't let their fiery voices convince you of it though. I have found it to be non-belief out of convenience. Yeah, yeah, I know... "What facts do you base your insulting comments on?"

I say this because every time I bone an Atheist they call, moan and scream "OH MY GOD! OH MY GOD!! OH MY GOD!!" over and over again. At which point I lose all respect for them for all of their past comments against the religious. Consequently, I tend to lose my erection.

I guess I'm Agnostic, more or less. I am honest enough to admit that I don't know shit. I've only been around (this time) for 48 years, so WTF can I definitively say about dinosaurs and a supreme being? Science often states facts - the very facts that often are proven to be wrong later on. Faith beliefs, in general, are not fact based. That is why they call it faith, not fact. But religious zealots tend to spew words of fact after unprovable fact out of their mouths, pens and keyboards like they're possessed. Kind of ironic when I think about it.

Agnostic, as I understand it, is to hold open many possibilities as to a supreme being or beings, or neither. Also that one's belief system, including religious, is primarily based upon their life experiences. I guess that is a round about way of saying we are largely a product of our environment?

Anyhooo, if ANYONE knows for absolute certain that there is THE ONE -THE ONE who was here, is here but we can not see, PLEASE show me the fuggin DVD. I missed it somehow. I want to beleive for certain. It would make things go easier on me, pass or fail. Really it would. I would then have a single focus for all praise and blame.

As for the die-hard science types, THEY said wine is good for me. Said it helps w/blood circulation, etc. It does help the circulation but the sulfites in it will kill your ass quicker than smokes unless it is home made. Beer was said to be not so good for you. Now beer is the new wine - good for your heart and circulation. Good thing I didn't listen to them before. Wine always made me feel like shit w/in hours of drinking it. I prefer beer or Beam and Coke. And this is only on the dietary side of science. For as far as we think we've advanced, sometimes I'm certain we're not too far past "the earth is flat." The more we know, the more we know that we don't know.

To hell w/it. I'm going to convert another Atheist. That is, unless she's mute.

[toxikdeth]

I use to think Atheists were as dedicated to their beliefs as religious zealots were to theirs. Don't let their fiery voices convince you of it though. I have found it to be non-belief out of convenience. Yeah, yeah, I know... "What facts do you base your insulting comments on?"

I say this because every time I bone an Atheist they call, moan and scream "OH MY GOD! OH MY GOD!! OH MY GOD!!" over and over again. At which point I lose all respect for them for all of their past comments against the religious. Consequently, I tend to lose my erection.

I guess I'm Agnostic, more or less. I am honest enough to admit that I don't know shit. I've only been around (this time) for 48 years, so WTF can I definitively say about dinosaurs and a supreme being? Science often states facts - the very facts that often are proven to be wrong later on. Faith beliefs, in general, are not fact based. That is why they call it faith, not fact. But religious zealots tend to spew words of fact after unprovable fact out of their mouths, pens and keyboards like they're possessed. Kind of ironic when I think about it.

Agnostic, as I understand it, is to hold open many possibilities as to a supreme being or beings, or neither. Also that one's belief system, including religious, is primarily based upon their life experiences. I guess that is a round about way of saying we are largely a product of our environment?

Anyhooo, if ANYONE knows for absolute certain that there is THE ONE -THE ONE who was here, is here but we can not see, PLEASE show me the fuggin DVD. I missed it somehow. I want to beleive for certain. It would make things go easier on me, pass or fail. Really it would. I would then have a single focus for all praise and blame.

As for the die-hard science types, THEY said wine is good for me. Said it helps w/blood circulation, etc. It does help the circulation but the sulfites in it will kill your ass quicker than smokes unless it is home made. Beer was said to be not so good for you. Now beer is the new wine - good for your heart and circulation. Good thing I didn't listen to them before. Wine always made me feel like shit w/in hours of drinking it. I prefer beer or Beam and Coke. And this is only on the dietary side of science. For as far as we think we've advanced, sometimes I'm certain we're not too far past "the earth is flat." The more we know, the more we know that we don't know.

To hell w/it. I'm going to convert another Atheist. That is, unless she's mute.

Agnostic is the way to go

[Big D]

Agnostic is the only rational way to be at this point in human history. Why? Because as TargetDrone points out, our species is really just in kindergarten in terms of understanding our universe.

I generally am a fan of all things science, but it is true that science currently has no data proving or disproving supernatural beings.

I think a lot of Atheists are really just more pissed off at organized religion and dogma than they are at the possibility of something bigger than us out there...

Being an Agnostic is a problem for many people though for a variety of reasons. It requires you to be humble and admit you don't know. It requires comfort with ambiguity, people crave an answer to the big questions. And it requires many of us in America to ditch the brainwashing of Christian dogma that we've received over the years of our upbringing.

[atdguitars]

Agnostic is the only rational way to be at this point in human history. Why? Because as TargetDrone points out, our species is really just in kindergarten in terms of understanding our universe.

I generally am a fan of all things science, but it is true that science currently has no data proving or disproving supernatural beings.

I think a lot of Atheists are really just more pissed off at organized religion and dogma than they are at the possibility of something bigger than us out there...

Being an Agnostic is a problem for many people though for a variety of reasons. It requires you to be humble and admit you don't know. It requires comfort with ambiguity, people crave an answer to the big questions. And it requires many of us in America to ditch the brainwashing of Christian dogma that we've received over the years of our upbringing.

+1 from a fellow agnostic

[Carbuff]

So, do agnostics celebrate Christmas? I dont mean going to church and all that. Im talking the Santa, Christmas tree holiday spirit thing.

[Rupe]

Agnostic means you're too apathetic to truly look into things

[VitaminG]

http://www.euthanasia.com/definitions.html :think:

Perhaps something is lost in the translation?

I guess it depends on where you go for your definition. Do you want to rely on a definition put forth by an individual running a website who may put their own spin on it? I prefer the dictionary.

from Random House Dictionary:

1.Also called mercy killing. the act of putting to death painlessly or allowing to die, as by withholding extreme medical measures, a person or animal suffering from an incurable, esp. a painful, disease or condition.2.painless death

from The American Heritage Dictionary of English Language:

n. The act or practice of ending the life of an individual suffering from a terminal illness or an incurable condition, as by lethal injection or the suspension of extraordinary medical treatment.

from Merriam-Websters Dictionary of Law:

the act or practice of killing or permitting the death of hopelessly sick or injured persons in a relatively painless way for reasons of mercy called also mercy killing —eu·tha·na·sic /-'nA-zik, -sik/ adjective

from Merriam-Websters Medical Dictionary:

the act or practice of killing hopelesslysick or injured individuals (as persons or domestic animals) in a relatively painless way for reasons of mercy; also : the act or practice of allowing a hopelessly sick or injuredpatient to die by taking less than complete medical measures to prolong life called also mercy killing


It appears that the recurring theme is to painlessly stop the suffering of someone who is unable to be saved but whose life is being prolonged with medical assistance. Seems a stretch to suggest that the reference to it in an amendment tabled in Congress recommends that old people are to be executed rather provide a burden on the healthcare system. Seems unlikely that a politician would table such an idea given how many of them are approaching that age themselves. Unless I've overlooked the section of the amendment that said "oh, except for politicians and former politicians".

[atdguitars]

So, do agnostics celebrate Christmas? I dont mean going to church and all that. Im talking the Santa, Christmas tree holiday spirit thing.

I do. Christmas is about the kids. I let mine believe what they want as far as religion goes. I have a son that attends a methodist church and a daughter being raised catholic. I was raised southern baptist but always questioned everything. I don't believe or disbelieve.. I have problems with most organized religions and blind faith.
Heres the Websters dictionary definition of Agnostic

Main Entry:
1ag·nos·tic
Pronunciation:
\ag-ˈnäs-tik, əg-\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Greek agnōstos unknown, unknowable, from a- + gnōstos known, from gignōskein to know — more at know
Date:
1869
1: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable ; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2: a person unwilling to commit to an opinion about something <political agnostics>

As far as being a young earther and the world being 6000 years old.. I doubt that too..

[VitaminG]

Agnostic means you're too apathetic to truly look into things

really? So investigation will provide a definitive answer, one or another? Otherwise, you couldn't "look into things" and discover that you still really don't know what's out there and if there is an omnipotent being or that science can explain everything away?

I wonder why so many people are still fighting over this issue then?

[Big D]

Agnostic means you're too apathetic to truly look into things

Good jab, but incorrect my friend. I read every book about religion and related subjects that I can make time for.

I highly doubt Carl Sagan, one of the most prolific writers and scientists of the 20th century was apathetic.


Carl Sagan: "My view is that if there is no evidence for it, then forget about it. An agnostic is somebody who doesn't believe in something until there is evidence for it, so I'm agnostic."

[horns666]

Good jab, but incorrect my friend. I read every book about religion and related subjects that I can make time for.

I highly doubt Carl Sagan, one of the most prolific writers and scientists of the 20th century was apathetic.


Carl Sagan: "My view is that if there is no evidence for it, then forget about it. An agnostic is somebody who doesn't believe in something until there is evidence for it, so I'm agnostic."

Later Sagan revealed that he was a Satanist.