Original instrumental song - comments appreciated...

[RR0849]

Did this for fun but wondering if I should do more. It's easy as I can do everything by myself in my guitar room. Titled Garden Of The Deep...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk0qvMgqwSM

[RacerX]

First! Good joerb, Jani!

[Trem]

Cool little jam
At first i thought maybe the tempo could be a slight tiny bit faster? But listened a few times it seems about right.

[jackson1]

That snare sound is getting a bit old, buddy

[Axewielder]

Pretty cool. Was that a pink Jackson strat I saw in there?? Pics puleeeze!!

[RR0849]

Thanks for the comments!

Henrik - Blame Roland! You're right though I should spend some time updating the drums. It's just never going to be anywhere near real drummers anyway so I don't have much motivation.

Axewielder - Here's one...


It's bubblegum pink. Early 87 with still the smaller SD route.

[RR0849]

Double post - please remove...

[jackson1]

Henrik - Blame Roland! .. It's just never going to be anywhere near real drummers anyway

Ah, Roland... That guy always sounded like crap. I am talking about sound and you're right, Roland is never going to be anywhere near real drummers. Then STOP buying guitars and sink some of that money into Pro Tools, Toontrack / Superior Drummer and a computer! Then you are MUCH nearer!

[RR0849]

Henrik - you got me interested. Can you share an audio sample of something you've done with the Superior Drummer? I'd check out official clips but we know how honestly those are produced in gear business.

I guess I would have to upgrade my PC too to run that SW.

[Trem]

Well, here's an example of Superior2 with Metal Foundry.

Albeit this is my first attempt at doing midi drums and pretty much drumming to me is like some magic science so, lol. But from installing to learning the programs, and learning how to make a semi realistic drum beats took about a week to start to get the hang of it all.

It's all programed one hit at a time in the midi editor in Reaper. Which after trying to do it in guitar pro and all this other ways people do it i find it just easier to do it in the midi editor in reaper instead of importing and exporting shit from this and that. It's tedious still but it really is the fastest way. The hardest part is learning Reaper or the Daw and setting it all up.

So here is just the rough mix of Drums only from an excerpt of a song i'm working on. It's metal foundry mostly sonar kit, but i replaced the kick with a free sample out there on the web, don't know who posted it but it's great. And i mixed and matched cymbals i liked with the kit.

http://www.soundclick.com/player/sin...=10452620&q=hi

Here is the same thing without any fx or mixing - this is more or less what it sounds like completely dry and with the original kick. As you can see, for any real serious recording you'll want to really work on the mix and shaping the sound and possibly use external samples blended in here and there. You can still get a use able demo type mix for general purposes with what's just in the program tho.

http://www.soundclick.com/player/sin...=10452639&q=hi

Keep in mind i'm mixing on a 150 dollar set of logitech 2.1 speakers so i have no idea how it's going to translate, let me know how the mixed version sounds so far. basically i've got the snare, kick and cymbals (hardest part) sounding the way i like so far.

[jackson1]

I'd check out official clips but we know how honestly those are produced in gear business.

The software is really capable of sounding just like those official clips. Most of the samples you can buy of the drumkits are supreme. The drumkits sampled are very high quality and very well setup. The drummers performing them are very high quality. The recording techniques involved are very high quality. Most samples are very long (many seconds) to help keep the natural decay. Each drum is sampled maybe 30 times, with varying velocity etc.

The software engine is vast as it should be. Because you need full control to have good drumsound. When you learn to control it, you can do anything - even stuff you can't do in a normal studio - stuff engineers wished for years they could. Especially about bleed.

I am fortunate to work with a guy at the moment who has a full Roland VDrum midi kit with a TD20 or TD30 unit. And he has almost all the Superior Drummer kits and plugins. So I don't program drums, luckily. He plays them live on the midi kit. Programming will take some time but there are tons of fills and different beats to pick from. Tons.

I guess I would have to upgrade my PC too to run that SW.

Depends on what you got now. I run Pro Tools 9 on a Dell laptop, Dual Core 2.8GHz, Windows 7 and it runs smooth. I guess less could do it, but using PT9 and Win7 is the key.

I have to be honest. This is not something you setup and do overnight. It's going to take some time before you can produce some tracks. I'll see if I can find a sample for you to check out. Haven't I sent you one previously btw? A year ago or so?

[daisp]

Very cool vibe Jani...love the pink Jackson too..

[Endrik]

Superior Drummer looks interesting, I like that there's a bleed option and room mics. Most products insist that I'd only satisfy with close miked samples, utter bullshit, can't get a big and warm drum sound without drums bounding in OH's and/or room mikes.
I'm hoping to test Native Instruments Abbey Road drums pretty soon. For me it looks the best thing out there right now. Among many common things they also have samples recorded with really open drum tunings, vintage skins and drums, kicks with no muffling and reso heads with no holes etc. And of course bleed, room mikes + they even have OH's in Glyn Johns position which is the way I prefer to record the drums (the Zep and Who recording method). So for someone who likes to get the main sound with Glyn Johns method by using U87's, distant kick micing, and very distant room mikes in a very large room, it seems pretty awesome, but I'd love to check out Superior Drummer too.

[Twitch]

I had been using Hydrogen for drum rhythms I couldnt personally play. The kick drum samples kind of blow, but if I wanted to, I could record my own samples and use them. Ill have to see If I can upload an example to my soundclick. If you want to research it before then, Hydrogen is a free software. Its midi sequenced drums like Trem spoke about. Tedious, but usefull. In addition to the sequencing, you get a virtual mixing console for the samples youre using at the time.

[Brozz]

Sweet jam !!