Is great technique wasted on non-musicians?

[atomic charvel guy]

Re: Is great technique wasted on non-musicians?

I'm from the keith richards school of "if what's coming out of the speakers sucks. it sucks then". i guess it's a product in the end and it has to be finished and catchy or forget it unless it's a niche' dude with an audience.

[axeman81]

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great thread! [img]/images/graemlins/toast.gif[/img]
my experience is that a lot of my friends don't "get" at all a lot of the player stuff that I'm listening to, like Yngwie, PG, Becker etc.

And the comments I have received on my own stuff is that the song that I feel was least complicated to finish, is the one they like the most!
I am going like "what..there are no quadruple-track harmonies on that one!??:scratch:" [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

so it definitely comes down to melody, and melodic solos tailored to the song.

I really love YJM's work, but I don't think you would find many non-players in his audience on any given night.

[Fragle]

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"And the comments I have received on my own stuff is that the song that I feel was least complicated to finish, is the one they like the most! "
exfuckinactly. my band has three songs that seem to be the most appreciated. one's a really melodic one, the other one is an EASY (imho) and really slow song (it's the title track of our most recent album, so that might be the reason), and the third one is an all out thrasher that's only so well known because it was featured on a few samplers so this is usually the first song people are hearing when they first get into my band.
i'd rather say it's more about having a catchy theme like a driving chorus, a neckbreaking groove or whatever than just melody.

as for the YJM....so true. yngwie just hasn't written any halfway decent song since rising force...IMHO. of course, his chops obviously are kickass, so don't take this as yngwie bashing.

[Endrik]

Re: Is great technique wasted on non-musicians?

ehee, dude Risin Force was his first album wich highlight were the instrumentals, good SONGS came since the Trilogy to the end of the 80's.

[Fragle]

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no i was talking about the song rising force, which is the first song on the odyssey album [img]/images/graemlins/poke.gif[/img]

[Endrik]

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ok, use these " " if you write song names [img]/images/graemlins/poke.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Fragle]

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shuddup, i'm rick james, bitch [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Endrik]

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lol,

you are a very kinky boy

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[shredmonster]

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shuddup, i'm rick james, bitch [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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thats beeotch!

[Fragle]

Re: Is great technique wasted on non-musicians?

ah, man, ya know...cocain's a helluva drug [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[MBreinin]

Re: Is great technique wasted on non-musicians?

No, motherfuckers....I'M RICK JAMES.

Fuck your couch!!! Fuck your couch!!!!!!! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Mike

[wilkinsi]

Re: Is great technique wasted on non-musicians?

i don't publicise my music so i don't have to impress anyone or feel embarassed about a fukup. i don't even play other people's songs.

[silentcrescendo]

Re: Is great technique wasted on non-musicians?

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Technical ability does play a major factor in what you CAN play, but should never dictate what you SHOULD play.

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+10

I'd like to be able to play the fast, notey parts of most Opeth songs that Martin Mendez plays, as well as the fast slap part in the song Blackwater Park, but it doesn't mean I should base my style on every single thing he plays. A good example is from the same bassist. On Damnation (Opeth's mellow prog rock-ish album) Martin's playing was very toned down, it was slow, it went well with the songs, perfectly.

What I don't like are songs by players like Michael Angelo Batio. The songs are very very fast and technical, but musically boring. Although what I do think is cool is when the bass is used as a lead instrument sometimes (see Billy Sheehan [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] ) because you almost never see it done.

[naelpierre]

Re: Is great technique wasted on non-musicians?

A friend of mine had a songwriting tip which went : If you can't have someone hum it back to you, it's crap

[img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Actually quite a useful tip !