Experiences with Lessons

[Sinistas]

Yeah, I'm not a musician. Bullshit.

[toejam]

No, you didn't understand what i said. I never said if you don't know music you are an inferior musician.

I said that if you don't know music you are NOT a musician.

So Jeff Loomis of Nevermore is also not a musician since he doesn't really "know" theory or music? Yeah, okay. Good day, sir.

[Endrik]

Hendrix was a motherfucking non-musician uh? Nuno and SRV were noobs too?

delt you are not the one who decides who is not a musician, a musician makes great music, there are bazillion snoobs with their phryigan dominant scales and whatnot but can't write good songs to save their life.

Jimmy Page and Robert Plant didn't used theory talk durning "the communication" yet they managed to sell 350 million albums.

Theory is just terms and rules you don't need to know theory to understand how music works and how to communicate with the other musicians although it is helpfull.

Theory isn't music. Music is creation of sounds

[Brick]

Theory makes you a better player. you know more of what your doing more, its easier to take what you hear in your head, Ie a riff, then be able to play it. Theory is key!

[Endrik]

its easier to take what you hear in your head, Ie a riff, then be able to play it. Theory is key!

that's not true at all, say that to someone who has a pefect pitch or really good relative pitch, they will laugh at this statement.

[delt]

Theory is just terms and rules you don't need to know theory to understand how music works and how to communicate with the other musicians although it is helpfull.

Of course you don't "need" to know music theory. No one forces you, there's no law that says you "need" to learn it.

Nonetheless, i am sick and tired of being regarded as an ignorant slob by other musicians just because my main instrument happens to be the guitar. This whole disaster started when every dumbass retard and his kid brother could pick up a guitar and pretend to be his favorite hetfield/hendrix/cobaine wannabe. You don't need any musical knowledge or even proper posture or technique for that.

I have a slight feeling that Andrés Segovia would NOT be proud.....

[straycat]

I have to give wakeupdead some kudos.He e mailed a few things to me that helped quite a bit.Basic stuff I never learned from in a written down form.
He shreds BTW and is a very cool person to boot.He knows theory pretty well and I can see how that can help.
I learned long ago to listen to new things and broaden your musical horizons.
I had a seizure back in 2001 and re-learning stuff. Getting all the fingers to do what they are supposed to is a real task.I'm a 3 finger player most of the time.

[Endrik]

This whole disaster started when every dumbass retard and his kid brother could pick up a guitar and pretend to be his favorite hetfield/hendrix/cobaine wannabe. You don't need any musical knowledge or even proper posture or technique for that.

so playing like hetfield and hendrix is something that every hack can do?

if you actually listen then I'm sure you notice that Metallica tunes had chord progressions and melody movements wich are very similar to classical era (Hayden etc.) music. Also James played many rhythms only by down picking at insane speeds (like 220 BPM) and had/has a perfect timing/meter. Not many can do that.

Hendrix had a lot of "big" and tricky chords in his music, he had a very expressive style with all the bends, vibratos etc. and SOUL.

I sure don't notice everyone doing that shit.
I'm starting to question your knowledge about music.

[delt]

^ Yeah, Hetfield is pretty impressive considering his complete lack of technique.

As for Hendrix.... well, i've never been a big fan of him.

I don't know what kind of musicians you see on TV in Europe, but in north america, 90% of so-called guitar players are pretty much the equivalent of a pianist bashing the keys off his piano/keyboard, or a violinist gripping the bow with his entire fist & shoving it between the strings.

[Brick]

^^ hahah good call on that one dude ^^

[Spivonious]

I'll step back into this one.

if you actually listen then I'm sure you notice that Metallica tunes had chord progressions and melody movements wich are very similar to classical era (Hayden etc.) music. .

Haydn and most classical composers wrote with what is known as common practice harmony. Essentially it boils down to tonic-subdominant-dominant-tonic. Or for an actual chord example: C-F-G-C. Notice how nice it sounds to the ears? It sounds complete. Do you need to know the theory behind it to realize it sounds "correct"?

Also James played many rhythms only by down picking at insane speeds (like 220 BPM) and had/has a perfect timing/meter. Not many can do that.

Hendrix had a lot of "big" and tricky chords in his music, he had a very expressive style with all the bends, vibratos etc. and SOUL.

This is all technique, which has nothing to do with theory.

So Jeff Loomis of Nevermore is also not a musician since he doesn't really "know" theory or music? Yeah, okay. Good day, sir.

First, music and music theory are two separate things. Jeff Loomis creates music. I infer from your statement that he does not know theory. I don't doubt this. Many of his riffs have nonsensical progressions and a bunch of seemingly random diminished arpeggios. Does this make it not awesome? Of course not. His technique is superb.

I can only imagine how much better and more interesting the music would be if he learned some theory. Brain-crushing riffs and jaw-dropping lead technique can only take you so far.

[Spivonious]

Well the first lesson went really well. We started with learning the staff and what all the notes mean. It was a pretty productive first lesson. The teacher is pretty patient and explains things really well. Its a little weird playing from sheet music though, but I'm already getting used to it.

Lesson two in two days.

Awesome! Let us know how it goes!

[El_Kabong]

I have not been a good boy and I do not care for any fudge, thank you. But I do know where a violin bow may be inserted, sans rosin. Anyone care to guess the destination? (No transposing required).

[Spivonious]

I have not been a good boy and I do not care for any fudge, thank you. But I do know where a violin bow may be inserted, sans rosin. Anyone care to guess the destination? (No transposing required).

The G-string?

[delt]

I can only imagine how much better and more interesting the music would be if he learned some theory.

+1.

Can someone explain to me how NOT knowing what you're doing, can help you do it better.... ?