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  • #16
    I stay away from open notes as my main guitar's not intonated. Watch the Marty Friedman vs Paul Gilbert videos... In certain ones he talks about improvising.
    -Adam

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Shawn Lutz View Post
      I always looked as keys are either major or minor ? Scale names are not keys in my neck of the woods. If you say you dig the B Phrygian...thats a mode based off the 3 note of the key G major scale (realtive E minor)
      Generally speaking, the major scale is used as a basis for everything. But, using the minor, aka the aeolian mode, as an alternative reference point is no different than using phrygian, because they are both consistent with a major scale (G in this case). I'd argue that the only reason the word minor is used like it is because it's such a common variation of the major scale.
      Last edited by anuske9; 11-27-2007, 11:59 AM.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Shawn Lutz View Post
        I always looked as keys are either major or minor ? Scale names are not keys in my neck of the woods. If you say you dig the B Phrygian...thats a mode based off the 3 note of the key G major scale (realtive E minor)
        I see scales as the exact opposite. I wouldn't consider the B Phrygian as a G Major starting two full steps up but as an alternative to the minor scale when playing in that key. I see it as a minor with a flat 2nd.
        I feel festive all year round. Deal with it.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by levantin View Post
          I see scales as the exact opposite. I wouldn't consider the B Phrygian as a G Major starting two full steps up but as an alternative to the minor scale when playing in that key. I see it as a minor with a flat 2nd.
          Where would you play it?
          -Adam

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          • #20
            well I look at the B Phrygian as a mode based off the G major scale so key of G officially but since B phyrgian mode is minor mode I just roll with key of E minor for that.

            the B phrygian mode contains the exact same notes as GM/Em. Take the major scale pattern with the G note as the root and keep hte pattern exactly the same but start on the B note and play it to the octave....thats the B phrygian and its the useds hte same notes of the G Major scale
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Shawn Lutz View Post
              well I look at the B Phrygian as a mode based off the G major scale so key of G officially but since B phyrgian mode is minor mode I just roll with key of E minor for that.

              the B phrygian mode contains the exact same notes as GM/Em. Take the major scale pattern with the G note as the root and keep hte pattern exactly the same but start on the B note and play it to the octave....thats the B phrygian and its the useds hte same notes of the G Major scale
              If I read it right, that's why I asked him where he played it... If he played it from B, it's the same as G major. but if he replaces E minor with B Phrygian that would be interesting, because like he said it's the same but with a flat 2nd...
              -Adam

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              • #22
                Originally posted by anuske9 View Post
                Where would you play it?
                Originally posted by Shawn Lutz View Post
                well I look at the B Phrygian as a mode based off the G major scale so key of G officially but since B phyrgian mode is minor mode I just roll with key of E minor for that.

                the B phrygian mode contains the exact same notes as GM/Em. Take the major scale pattern with the G note as the root and keep hte pattern exactly the same but start on the B note and play it to the octave....thats the B phrygian and its the useds hte same notes of the G Major scale
                Originally posted by anuske9 View Post
                If I read it right, that's why I asked him where he played it... If he played it from B, it's the same as G major. but if he replaces E minor with B Phrygian that would be interesting, because like he said it's the same but with a flat 2nd...
                My point exactly! Of course it all depends on the chord progression your playing over but I like to use modes to add a flavour to a scale instead of playing in the same key. To clarify, I would use an E phrygian to accent some notes over a chord structure in E that implies a minor or harmonic minor like feel, rather than going from E to E using e-f-g-a-b-c-d over an A minor progression. It works for me to add some of the modal notes especially in a heavy song with a limited power chord progression like say E5-F5-D5 just to add some variety.

                I don't know if I'm expressing this the right way or if this approach is correct or not, I'm self taught so what do I know?
                I feel festive all year round. Deal with it.

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                • #23
                  Seems like I play in Em most of the time. I know it easily all over the neck. I'm trying to break out and play in some other keys but most backing tracks tend not to stray. I'm liking Gm and C at the moment and trying to get a better feel for them in more positions on the neck.
                  Playing arpeggios is soomething I approach more based on what chord I'm playing over instead of the key.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Cygnus X1 View Post
                    Minor pentatonics, for me.
                    in Dm..

                    Umm ..I invent my own modes and scales as I go. I'm working on the pentecostal scale as heard in my song "Scapegoat", and diminsished runs, that are more diminished than need be...played in 3rds , 4ths, 5ths, sometimes 7ths and octaves X 2...or 3...with a twist of lime.

                    Oh, and I like to "ping" everything I do, because I can...really, super fast.
                    "Bill, Smoke a Bowl and Crank Van Halen I, Life is better when I do that"
                    Donnie Swanstrom 01/25/06..miss ya!

                    "Well, your friend would have Bell's Palsy, which is a facial paralysis, not "Balls Pelsy" like we're joking about here." Toejam's attempt at sensitivity.

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                    • #25
                      My fav is Em cause of the open strings. Am second. If I want to sound bad ass - F# minor is the most rockin' bad ass sounding key if you ask me.

                      I also play Bm. Those are my 4 favs. But I have jammed in F, A# - whatever.

                      A person should practice chromatically on the guitar so you can jam in any key. Takes a long time to do this but well worth the effort. I can play in any key and feel comfy - C, C#, G - does not matter.
                      PLAY TILL U DIE !!!

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by horns666 View Post
                        in Dm..

                        Umm ..I invent my own modes and scales as I go. I'm working on the pentecostal scale as heard in my song "Scapegoat", and diminsished runs, that are more diminished than need be...played in 3rds , 4ths, 5ths, sometimes 7ths and octaves X 2...or 3...with a twist of lime.

                        Oh, and I like to "ping" everything I do, because I can...really, super fast.
                        Some Dm, but most open E, and Am. And damn near everywhere else.
                        After a couple of bars of that, I'll go into mixoydian phygrian, etc., but I
                        really have no clue where I'm going with most of those.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Cygnus X1 View Post
                          Some Dm, but most open E, and Am. And damn near everywhere else.
                          After a couple of bars of that, I'll go into mixoydian phygrian, etc., but I
                          really have no clue where I'm going with most of those.
                          Yes..my open E is D-.

                          On my 7 string, my Open E is E, but I have a B- string too...it goes like "chug..chug..chug..chug".. something like that.

                          I'm writing a song called "2B or not 2B"..which is in B and B+.
                          "Bill, Smoke a Bowl and Crank Van Halen I, Life is better when I do that"
                          Donnie Swanstrom 01/25/06..miss ya!

                          "Well, your friend would have Bell's Palsy, which is a facial paralysis, not "Balls Pelsy" like we're joking about here." Toejam's attempt at sensitivity.

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                          • #28
                            the key of noodle is dough
                            "There is nothing more fearful than imagination without taste" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

                            "To be stupid, selfish and have good health are three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost" - Gustave Flaubert

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                            • #29
                              e phrygian dominant....pretty much always

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                              • #30
                                Please delete!
                                Last edited by Digitised; 12-18-2007, 03:09 PM.

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