Question about excercises from Speed Mechanics for the Lead Guitar....

[VitaminG]

Re: Question about excercises from Speed Mechanics for the Lead Guitar....

Originally posted by Fragger:
The proble came to me in terms of tempo. For example, Troy explains the settings for a 4 notes per beat lick and expects us to translate that to Sextuplet. My confusion is, how could one play 4 notes per beat, and then 6 notes per beat at the same 80BPMs? So, I wanted to know how to fix this accordingly so that I may translate exercises accordingly.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No translation is necessary.

If Troy says to play 16th notes at 80bpm, you play 4 notes per beat at 80bpm. If he says sextuplets at 80bpm, it's 6 notes per beat at 80bpm.

If sextuplets at 80bpm is too fast for you, then start the sextuplet exercise at 60bpm (or slower if necessary) and work up to 80bpm.

[SeventhSon]

Re: Question about excercises from Speed Mechanics for the Lead Guitar....

Originally posted by Fragger:
Thanks for the lesson bro. See I'm not confused at all, as to how to play triplets or sixteenth notes. The easy way to do this, is just look at the standard notation, and you will know how many notes go between each click, am I right?

The proble came to me in terms of tempo. For example, Troy explains the settings for a 4 notes per beat lick and expects us to translate that to Sextuplet. My confusion is, how could one play 4 notes per beat, and then 6 notes per beat at the same 80BPMs? So, I wanted to know how to fix this accordingly so that I may translate exercises accordingly. Thanks again for your lesson! Peace and ALLAH hafiz.

Faraz Ahmad.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm changing my analogy to a pies.

Pretend you have 4 pies. Those are 4 beats at 60 BPM. Now since the beat is constant, that means each pie is the same size (same length of time).

When Troy asks you to play the 1st beat in 8th notes, he's asking you do divvy up the 1st pie into 2 equal pieces. When Troy asks you to play the 2nd beast in triplets, he's asking you to divvy up the 2nd pie into 3 equal pieces.

So if you have the same size pies and you have to divvy it up into more pieces, what happens to each piece? They get smaller. Or if you're playing notes, you have to play it a little faster to play 3 notes evenly into a beat relative to 2 notes evenly into the same size beat.

So alternating eigth notes and triplets in a 4 beat measure, you're counting

1-and-2-and-uh-3-and-4-and-uh

You have to say the "and-uh"s a little faster than just the "and" to get the numbers to fall on the click.

[SeventhSon]

Re: Question about excercises from Speed Mechanics for the Lead Guitar....

Originally posted by kit robertshaw:
Nice work seventhson! I have to say that was an amazing dislplay of patience! I have great respect for you [img]graemlins/notworthy.gif[/img]

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Too bad I can't just sit down with fragger...it'd be so-o-o-o much easier. At this point I'm taking it as a personal challenge to get him over this hump.

Heck, Joe Satriani had to teach Steve Vai how to play an open E chord...maybe fragger will remember seventhson when he becomes rich/famous and gets interviewed by Guitar World. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

[Fragger]

Re: Question about excercises from Speed Mechanics for the Lead Guitar....

Bro, first of let me apologize for being such a pain in the @$$, its just that I have always had problems understanding timing. What you explained in your last lesson is totally understandable by me, and I have also noticed myself figuring out 8th notes, 16th notes for other time signatures. So this is becoming clear to me.

Finally, I too have great respect for you, and ALL my teachers. Surely, I will always remember you, but becoming rich and famous is not for me, as I suck too much. Regardless, thank you so much for your help! Take care!

[Number Of The Priest]

Re: Question about excercises from Speed Mechanics for the Lead Guitar....

What Iron Maiden exercise is this for? Something like the "Wasted Years" intro?

[maddog]

Re: Question about excercises from Speed Mechanics for the Lead Guitar....

I think that Troy Stentinas idea of working on single string picking to get the motion correct was a brilliant idea. It has certainly helped me a lot.

[LesPaulCustom]

Re: Question about excercises from Speed Mechanics for the Lead Guitar....

NOTP...although there are similarities in the lick from Wasted Years and the one in Speed Mech...it is basically to get the player used to alternate picking on one string before tackling crossing strings, which is more difficult.

Also, each string feels differently when being tremolo picked and at different tempos.

[Fragger]

Re: Question about excercises from Speed Mechanics for the Lead Guitar....

Originally posted by LesPaulCustom:
NOTP...although there are similarities in the lick from Wasted Years and the one in Speed Mech...it is basically to get the player used to alternate picking on one string before tackling crossing strings, which is more difficult.

Also, each string feels differently when being tremolo picked and at different tempos.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This is basically correct. Also, I hope I didn't annoy SeventhSon too much [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] , he hasn't replyed since then. I really appreciate the way he helped me. Thanks once again man!

[LesPaulCustom]

Re: Question about excercises from Speed Mechanics for the Lead Guitar....

Originally posted by Fragger:
This is basically correct.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What part of my post was "incorrect" as opposed to "basically correct" [img]graemlins/scratchhead.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/scratchhead.gif[/img]

There is no way to cleanly cross strings if you can't establish a good solid rhythm/techniqe on one string [img]graemlins/poke.gif[/img]

[Number Of The Priest]

Re: Question about excercises from Speed Mechanics for the Lead Guitar....

I don't think Fragger meant to undermine you, LPC. I know "basically correct" doesn't exactly mean "wholly/100%/completely correct" in the strictest sense of the word, but it was implied, in my opinion. Fragger so far has shown a LOT of respect for every JCF member who has helped him so far and is grateful for their patience and understanding. He agrees with you... I'd leave it at that. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/toast.gif[/img]

[Fragger]

Re: Question about excercises from Speed Mechanics for the Lead Guitar....

Originally posted by Number Of The Priest:
I don't think Fragger meant to undermine you, LPC. I know "basically correct" doesn't exactly mean "wholly/100%/completely correct" in the strictest sense of the word, but it was implied, in my opinion. Fragger so far has shown a LOT of respect for every JCF member who has helped him so far and is grateful for their patience and understanding. He agrees with you... I'd leave it at that. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/toast.gif[/img]

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks man! First for noticing the true intention of my reply, and secondly, for acknowledging my respect for you guys. I don't think it has to be said that you guys deserve all of the respect I have for you, as you guys have an unbelieveable amount of wisdom that at least I respect too much. As for LPC, bro, I was merely agreeing with you, sorry if it sounded condecending in anyway. I hold the same respect for you, and would never disrespect you in my right mind [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] . Anyway now that all the dust is cleared... hopefully [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] , I was wondering if someone could pickup from the lessons of SeventhSon. I'm sorry, there has been more confusion in my mind regarding time signatures, and this time its about measures. I mean, everything that I have read about timing so far, explains everything in terms of beats and not measures. Measures are merely introduced in the beginning and then left completely. For Example, 4 notes per beat in 4/4 timing equals 16th notes, I'm guessing its because (4 beats * 4 notes = 16 notes). If this is indeed correct, then where do the measures come in? How do the measures change the impact number of beats? Also, if I were listening to a song, how would I know, how long is a measure, and etc? I know this is again a bit too confusing, but I couldn't help wondering. Peace and take care all!

[LesPaulCustom]

Re: Question about excercises from Speed Mechanics for the Lead Guitar....

Fragger...tis cool [img]graemlins/toast.gif[/img]

I think I jumped the gun (er, keyboard) when I read your post and flamed.....I apologize [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Anywho....OK, so now you have a idea of what the different note values are/mean, lets jump on to the measure beast.

OK, if you look at a time signature (ex. 4/4), that means that there are 4 beats per measure, and that 1 beat equals a quarter note....so, a full measure would be any ammount of notes and and rests to equal 4 beats.

So, in 4/4 time, you could have, for example, 4 16th notes (1 beat), a half note (2 beats) and a quarter note rest (1 beat) which would comprise a full measure. This would be counted as 1-e-and-a 2 3 4 for a complete measure.

Most rock/meatal is usually standard 4/4 time, with the occasional 3/4 and 12/8. It is more of a "feel" thing after a while.

As far as counting measures, it is good to practice figuring out songs and mapping out their form to get a grasp of the structure of the song, i.e. verse, verse, bridge, chorus, break, chorus etc. and count the measures. I still do it when figuring out songs to get a feel for what is going on within the song (chords, key, key changes etc.).

A basic book/CD for drummers would probably help you out to understand more fully the values and time signatures.

Hope this helps, it sounds difficult but is actually kind of simple when you break it down to its lowest common denominator. Besides, it's rock and roll dude.....if it sounds good, run with it...only your ears will be the ultimate judge. [img]graemlins/toast.gif[/img]

[Fragger]

Re: Question about excercises from Speed Mechanics for the Lead Guitar....

Hey LPC, no need to apologize at all man, I told you I have respect for you, so again no need. I'm sure it was my fault that the post sounded like that.

Thanks for the lesson man. I'm afraid the measures seem to be new beasts indeed, as I don't understand. Perhaps if you compared the 4 per notes per beat in 2 different time signatures perhaps 4/4 and 3/4, and show me how the measures affect the end result, maybe I could understand it better. If you cannot, for any reason, no need to worry about it. Peace and take care man!

[LesPaulCustom]

Re: Question about excercises from Speed Mechanics for the Lead Guitar....

Hmmmmmmm, OK......lets see if I can do this and find a way to make you understand the measure thing [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

OK...in 4/4 time, like was previously mentioned, there are 4 beats per measure, and each beat is equal to a 1/4 note 4 (beats per measure) * .25 (1/4 note value) = 1 measure. You could have any combination of note values and rests to add up to the full count of 4.

In 3/4 time, each measure gets 3 beats per measure, and the each beat is equal to a quarter note....3/4 is commonly refered to as a "swing" rhythm.

Think of each measure in terms of written english. Each measure is a sentence. String a bunch of sentences together, and you get a paragraph. With a bunch of paragraphs, you'll have a chapter etc. al.

Hope this helps...I'm trying to break it down.... [img]graemlins/toast.gif[/img]

[SeventhSon]

Re: Question about excercises from Speed Mechanics for the Lead Guitar....

Fragger, the fractional notation actually means something. Think about how you multiply fractions when you read the following.

What is one way to write out a quarter note? Like this: 1/4, right? What is 4/4 time? It's simply 4 times 1/4, right? In other words 4 quarter notes per measure where each quarter note is a beat.

What is 3/4 time but 3 times 1/4 or 3 quarter notes per measure where each quarter note gets a beat.

You can do this with 6/8 time as well. It's just 6 times 1/8. Or 6 eighth notes per measure where each eighth note gets a beat.

12/8 is 12 * 1/8 or 12 eighth notes.