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Originally posted by Joe_Steeler
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If it's not a CHARVEL then i dont want to play it,look at it or even fuckin THINK about it! -
Ok, taking it a step further.
We've already established that EVH wasn't really innovative. Now listen to me when I say he wasn't the most influential either.
Sure you had crap and crap and crap loads of bands in the eighties doing the VH thing and even more lead guitarists imitating him (best of which was Vito Bratta, imho), but that scene lasted for under a decade and apart from some reunions and moderate revival scene type things, it's completely dead. EVH's influence, imho, was pretty shortlived (save from the couple of thousand 40 something dudes still playing it :p )
But if you look and listen to music/metal/whatever nowadays, I'd say Yngwie Malmsteen was about 10x as influential as EVH, ESPECIALLY when it comes to lead playing.You took too much, man. Too much. Too much.Comment
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EVH was very innovative... no one had that kind of style, feel and tone before him
when the 90's came a lot of the grunge and alternative scene people loved old VH but hated their cheesy clones and players like Yngwie malmsteen
I'm willing to bet that there's a lot more people who picked up the guitar because of Ed rather than Yngwie
metal today is a niche music... Van Halen's influence went a lot further... from synth pop to contemporary jazz fusion.... can't say I know many other rock guitarists who were praised so much in all kinds of different music circles... except for Hendrix and Page"There is nothing more fearful than imagination without taste" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
"To be stupid, selfish and have good health are three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost" - Gustave FlaubertComment
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I respectfully disagree. It's just not how I view the matter at all, and I'm up on the facts.Originally posted by Endrik View PostYou took too much, man. Too much. Too much.Comment
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why do you call your opinion facts?
btw. what defines what is innovative and what is not on a guitar?
you said "Al Di Meola is probably one of the most influential electric guitarists there has been and will ever be."
can you describe what was innovative about Al's playing?"There is nothing more fearful than imagination without taste" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
"To be stupid, selfish and have good health are three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost" - Gustave FlaubertComment
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I didn't define my opinion as fact, IN FACT, I did the opposite. I told you my opinion, but said it was BASED on the facts as they are in front of me.Originally posted by Endrik View PostYou took too much, man. Too much. Too much.Comment
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again what makes Al Di Meola innovative?"There is nothing more fearful than imagination without taste" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
"To be stupid, selfish and have good health are three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost" - Gustave FlaubertComment
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Again, where in the blue FUCK in that quote of me, do you see "innovative" or any mention of the notion?Originally posted by Endrik View PostYou took too much, man. Too much. Too much.Comment
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As of 2007 Van Halen has sold more than 80 million albums worldwide. thats the internet though so it may not be a true statement. I remember music as a kid and I remember someone older turning me on to VanHalen II. Everything changed after that. I'm not comparing yngwie malmsteen to eddie though, I'm comparing yngwie to vanhalen. As good as yngwie is I never liked his musicComment
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You may be right.. But I'm sure Yngwie inspired all those kids to get good at guitar.Originally posted by Endrik View Post
I'm not calling Ed bad by any means..Originally posted by horns666Comment
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I just want to know how you figure out if someone is innovative or not.Originally posted by GodOfRhythm View Post
I personally consider Al very innovative... but then again if I would talk about him like you do about Ed... I would go... ahh he just took the playing style of Larry Coryell mixed with Astor Piazolla's melodies and flamenco players' chops, nothing special
I've said it before.... nothing pisses me off more when someone is talking shit about Ace Frehley.
The second on the list is when someone talks shit about EVH.
Sorry man... it just really pisses me off... what can I do :ROTF:"There is nothing more fearful than imagination without taste" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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Count me as someone much more inspired and influenced by Yngwie than Ed.
I like Ed's rhythm playing and songwriting. Don't care for most of his leads.Comment
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Originally posted by GodOfRhythm View Post
No.... what we established is that it is your opinion & that not everyone would agree.
I've listened to you & will happily agree to disagree.
IMO You have all the facts you have, but maybe not all the "facts".
Originally posted by GodOfRhythm View Post
Ummmm page 3 in this very thread perhaps? :ROTF:
Facts... there arent many in this thread. What we have is opinions here sometimes being considered as facts. One of my opinions ( FWIW) happens to be regardless of how well Al D plays there isnt a tremendous amount of innovation there... Technique? Absloutely! Innovation? Not so much. Listening to some of the things Endrik mentioned, which are some of Al D's personal influences, you can hear where He got picked up alot of his chops from. Because one is not familliar with anothers influences things they do can be determined "innovative" when they might not be.
Maybe you can say the same for the relationship between EVH & Holdsworth's early tapping.. but Holdsworth has not had the influence on nearly as many players. EVH brought it to every kid in the world...
Is Al D technically a better player than Ace? (Sorry Endrik
) Hell yeah... Has He influenced even 1/10th the amount of the players as Ace? I highly doubt it.
Our personal favorites & influences may have very little to do with a players "global influence"Last edited by J_A / 540s; 07-19-2008, 02:54 AM.Comment
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If it's not a CHARVEL then i dont want to play it,look at it or even fuckin THINK about it!Comment
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